Kinda Porky

[thessler3_imp]

The deluxe version of the 2014 CB1100 gained thirty pounds. It is listed as 570+ pounds on Honda's website. Regular 2014 models are listed at 540 pounds full of fluids. Second muffler must be pretty heavy. Perhaps that includes ABS also, which is supposed to add 9 lbs.

Honda's have rarely been very light, but this is kind of porky for a naked bike. My last Speed Triple and Tuono V4 were about 475 lbs. My KTM Superduke and Foggy Monster were lighter yet. Porky or not, I like the CB1100 but I will stick with the standard 2013 CB1100 and add an Arrow slip-on.

[the Ferret]

New muffler weighs 15 pounds extra, ABS 9 pounds, Gasoline 4 pounds (remember that's a wet weight) that's 28 of the extra pounds... metal sprocket cover? additional electronics for fuel guage, gear indicator etc? 6th gear plus asst shims?

it all adds up

Remember this is an old school bike..steel frame, metal tank. metal fenders, centerstand, 2 rear shocks, 4 into 2 exhaust..not a lot of weight savings going on here. You can make them lighter. I think ACK got his down to 480 lbs?

Interestingly the 1977 Kawasaki KZ 1000 weighed 563 with 2.2 gallons of gas in the tank (ie: would have weighed more than the 14 dlx with a full tank of gas), made a few less horsepower and a few pounds less torque.

[thessler3_imp]

Perhaps a minor correction, but I believe the 540 lbs 2014 standard model also includes the 6 speed trans. Possibly may also include sprocket cover, fuel gauge, gear indicator but to be fair, I am uncertain of any of those bits. 570 lbs is still pretty heavy for a naked bike, especially when the CB1000R is under 500lbs. My friend's Kawasaki ZRX 1200 is about 525lbs. CB1100 is a very nice bike, but nothing wrong with wishing it were about 50lbs lighter. I wish I was a bit lighter myself.

[the Ferret]

I didn't notice, but how could the 14 std weigh exact same as 13 std? with as we mentioned extra gear and electronics? I think the std counter sprocket cover is still plastic.

regardless hard to compare this with a modern bike using modern materials. CB1000 has how many shocks?does it have a centerstand? what kind of frame aluminum? aluminum or steel tank? what kind of exhaust? 4 into 1 shorty?

I wish the CB weighed less too... unfortunately it doesn't.
Comparing it to the classis of yore. Or having fun with numbers

68 Honda CB 750. 67 hp @9000 rpms. Weight 491 wet
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72 Kawasaki Z-1 900.... 82 hp @8500 rpms. Weight 511 dry

80 Suzuki GS 1100 ..... 87 hp @ 8000 rpms Weight 563 wet

78 Yamaha XS 1100 ...95 hp @ 8500 rpms. Weight 630 wet

2013 Honda CB1100 ....87 hp @ 7500 rpms. Weight 540 wet. Big Grin

Now I also had a 2001 Yamaha FZ 1 with 125 hp that weighed 510 pounds. Its an amazing machine. Trouble is most of those horses come stampeding in between 8,000 and 12000 rpms. Personally, I never rode in that rev range, 100 % of my riding was below 6000 rpms and the FZ made plenty of power for me below 6000 rpms. According to the dyno at 6000 rpms the FZ1 is making 65 hp. The CB will possibly be making more hp than the FZ in the rev range I rode in.

My ST 1300 makes about 92 horses @ 6000 rpms (and peak at 112 hp @8000 rpms).... Thats pretty good, and a little more powerful than the CB 1100 for real world riding, but it weighs 716 wet.

[Guth_imp]

This bike has always been about "the feel" or overall riding / ownership experience rather than flat out performance. To that effect, the only time I've really noticed the weight of the CB1100 is when I'm rolling it around in the garage. I'm guessing that the 14 DLX will be very similar in that regard.


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[pechorin75_imp]

No, there's nothing wrong with wishing it were a bit lighter...but that said, what difference does it really make? Granted, I'm used to handling big, heavy bikes, but the CB doesn't feel at all heavy to me, either in terms of handling or just lifting it on/off the side or center stands (in fact, if I didn't know, I'd guess it was actually lighter than the ZRX1100 I own--it certainly turns in quicker). It still accelerates fast enough, even stock, to embarrass all but the quickest sports cars. I doubt the extra pounds on the '14 deluxe will change that very much.

Bottom line, the bike simply isn't meant to play on the same field as a modern sporting machine, naked or not. That extra 50 pounds matters almost entirely at the outer margin of the performance envelope, which is a place where maybe 1 or 2 percent of owners will ever take it. For those who want a more competitive sport machine w/ the retro looks, it can be made to lose some weight and gain some horsepower...but it's never gonna be a CBR1000RR.

Which is why they make CBR1000RRs.

This isn't really directed at you, thessler, but in the digital camera world, there's a certain contingent of enthusiasts who focus almost entirely on technical specs, and in the process completely lose sight of the big picture--which is that the camera is ultimately just a tool used to capture an image; and that it's the image rather than the camera that ultimately matters. In reading comments on sites like Motorcycledaily lately, it seems like we've got something similar going on in the motorcycle world. You get the sense that the "peanut gallery" wouldn't be satisfied until somebody came out with a 220hp, 325lb bike that was completely docile on the street ("great first bike!"), handled like a MotoGP bike, rode like a Cadillac, had comfortable, adjustable ergonomics, got 60mpg, had hydraulic valve lifters, came with 500-mile seat comfortable for every rear-end, could tour like a Goldwing, looked exactly like a classic 1978 whatever (but better), had a centerstand, was belt or shaft driven....etc. And even then they'd find something to complain about ("Ugh! What were they thinking with that horrible speedometer font??")

[hedstrom_imp]

One's impression as to weight is dependent on what they are transitioning from. In my case it's a Kawasaki Concours. Therefore I expect that I'll find the 2014 CB1100 Deluxe to be light and nimble. Everything is relative.
On a related issue - has it been confirmed that the sprocket cover on the 2014 is aluminum, not just shiny, silver plastic?

[The Spaceman_imp]

One's impression as to weight is dependent on what they are transitioning from. In my case it's a Kawasaki Concours. Therefore I expect that I'll find the 2014 CB1100 Deluxe to be light and nimble. Everything is relative.
On a related issue - has it been confirmed that the sprocket cover on the 2014 is aluminum, not just shiny, silver plastic?

Agreed. After 5 years on a VStrom 1000 going to the CB was like trading a Yukon for a Bugeye Sprite. Which might be odd because their weights aren't that different. I think its because the CB carries its weight well; the CG is low and the bike is extremely well-balanced.

[Tortuga_imp]

This bike has always been about "the feel" or overall riding / ownership experience rather than flat out performance. To that effect, the only time I've really noticed the weight of the CB1100 is when I'm rolling it around in the garage. I'm guessing that the 14 DLX will be very similar in that regard.


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Bingo. That's it, right there, in a nutshell!!

That's what brought me to this bike, and that's why I couldn't quantify why I love it so much.

It's an emotional thing, not a rational thing.

We aren't BHP junkies, or gear ratio nerds, we're people who have connected with a motorcycle on an emotional level and have found what we wanted.. A good old powerful, smooth, comfy motorbike. Sorted.

One's impression as to weight is dependent on what they are transitioning from. In my case it's a Kawasaki Concours. Therefore I expect that I'll find the 2014 CB1100 Deluxe to be light and nimble. Everything is relative.
On a related issue - has it been confirmed that the sprocket cover on the 2014 is aluminum, not just shiny, silver plastic?

Agreed. After 5 years on a VStrom 1000 going to the CB was like trading a Yukon for a Bugeye Sprite. Which might be odd because their weights aren't that different. I think its because the CB carries its weight well; the CG is low and the bike is extremely well-balanced.

Agreed. After 5 years on a VStrom 1000 going to the CB was like trading a Yukon for a Bugeye Sprite. Which might be odd because their weights aren't that different. I think its because the CB carries its weight well; the CG is low and the bike is extremely well-balanced.
Hear hear!

No, there's nothing wrong with wishing it were a bit lighter...but that said, what difference does it really make? Granted, I'm used to handling big, heavy bikes, but the CB doesn't feel at all heavy to me, either in terms of handling or just lifting it on/off the side or center stands (in fact, if I didn't know, I'd guess it was actually lighter than the ZRX1100 I own--it certainly turns in quicker). It still accelerates fast enough, even stock, to embarrass all but the quickest sports cars. I doubt the extra pounds on the '14 deluxe will change that very much.

Bottom line, the bike simply isn't meant to play on the same field as a modern sporting machine, naked or not. That extra 50 pounds matters almost entirely at the outer margin of the performance envelope, which is a place where maybe 1 or 2 percent of owners will ever take it. For those who want a more competitive sport machine w/ the retro looks, it can be made to lose some weight and gain some horsepower...but it's never gonna be a CBR1000RR.

Which is why they make CBR1000RRs.

This isn't really directed at you, thessler, but in the digital camera world, there's a certain contingent of enthusiasts who focus almost entirely on technical specs, and in the process completely lose sight of the big picture--which is that the camera is ultimately just a tool used to capture an image; and that it's the image rather than the camera that ultimately matters. In reading comments on sites like Motorcycledaily lately, it seems like we've got something similar going on in the motorcycle world. You get the sense that the "peanut gallery" wouldn't be satisfied until somebody came out with a 220hp, 325lb bike that was completely docile on the street ("great first bike!"), handled like a MotoGP bike, rode like a Cadillac, had comfortable, adjustable ergonomics, got 60mpg, had hydraulic valve lifters, came with 500-mile seat comfortable for every rear-end, could tour like a Goldwing, looked exactly like a classic 1978 whatever (but better), had a centerstand, was belt or shaft driven....etc. And even then they'd find something to complain about ("Ugh! What were they thinking with that horrible speedometer font??")

You've hit the nail on the head. Want fast naked Honda? Buy CB1000R, want something totally unique? Buy CB1100. Not a bike trying to me more than a lush experience and thus a keeper in my and many others books.

[Pterodactyl_imp]

Tortuga, Pechorin 75, Guth. You have summed up the CB experience eloquently. Well done.

Cheers