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CB DOWN!!!
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Had planned to trailer bikes down to Capitol Reef and ride down there for a couple of days but my truck had issues with running lights not working so I nixed that and decided due to the good weather we would do a short ride (250 miles one way) from my house in Northern Utah to Alpine Wyoming via Logan, Preston, Idaho (where Napoleon Dynamite was filmed), Grace Idaho ( and because it's Veterans Day we planned to stop at a cemetery there at the grave of an KIA WW2 MOH recipient to show our respect) then on to Freedom, Wyoming and Alpine to stop at the new Melvin's Brewery there on the Snake river and settle into our hotel in Alpine. Weather a perfect 62 degrees and sunny. Daughters boyfriend on the CB (his Kawi had issues and wouldn't stay running prior to trip), daughter on Iron 883 and me on Guzzi.

Beautiful ride all day Friday until mid afternoon when we were descending a small, remote canyon that became more and more narrow with a small creek running along side it. Until then the roads were dry, not a hint of what was to come....Came around one corner and bingo, the road didn't look right as a shadow cast over it from the canyon wall so I slowed down (I'm in front, daughter in middle, and boyfriend on CB in back). Came around the next corner and into a shadow again and before I knew it we were on an almost solid sheet of black ice for 20-30 yards. Down he goes. Bike slid across the road for about 30 yards and came to rest right on the shoulder. He was wearing an armored hoodie over which he had a light Carhart coat, helmet, gloves etc. Other than a brusied hip he was ok. Bike was on it's right side.

Surprisingly VERY LITTLE damage was done...engine case scraped up. Brake lever bent. Dart Fly Screen scraped up. Bar end weight screw bent. Brake lever scraped at the ball. Instrument cluster cracked. Muffler scratched just a little. No paint scratched. No dents in tank. Frame paint fine. Forks have ZERO" scratches. I think what helped was black ice was basically all over the road and asphalt didn't have a chance to do its customary damage. The 3 of us could barely stand up due to the slickness of the ice while trying to get the CB back on its legs.

We crawled out of that canyon at 3-5 mph in the shadows on the frost covered shoulder riding on the gravel there. Finally made it to the main road in about 20 minutes and the rest of the trip was uneventful. CB ran fine after we waited for the oil to settle back in the crankcase. Could have been a LOT WORSE. Guzzi started to leak rear drive oil on the way home. Bikes are going to need some attention over the next few months before riding season comes around again.
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#2
Wow scary title to read. Glad no one was seriously hurt. Black ice is some bad stuff and zero traction.

I think CIP was just giving away a complete exhaust but he's in New York. The rest of what you need is not likely to show up in classifieds.
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#3
Glad everyone is ok. Bike parts are easily replaced. People parts, not so much.

Man, it feels way to early to hear tales of black ice. Stay safe.
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#4
It's not the OAT (outside air temperature) it is the dewpoint and temperature of the pavement.

You were riding in hazardous conditions. Good thing no one was really hurt and you were able to continue your ride out.

The last time I rode on ice was not too long ago, a little over a year, I guess. But I did it on purpose, and also took the opportunity to test my ZX-10R's traction control. It was not black ice, but a coating of rime ice, and broad daylight so I could see it. We've got a 5000+ foot pass in the Los Padres National Forest, and I rode over that. On the downhill side, many of the turns were enshadowed and had ice. I didn't halt my ride or turn around, I knew eventually I'd ride out of it to lower elevations. Streetbikes can be ridden on ice, even a supersport bike, but they have to be kept almost completely vertical and ridden with extreme care.

"Smell ice, can you?" - from "Titanic"

Yes, you can smell ice. You can get a sense of what's coming by feel. Some bikes give you an advance warning. My F800GS has dewpoint/ice warning feature where if the OAT gets to where the bike's ECU thinks ice is possible, a warning will flash on the display. No kidding.

In flying we'd call that VFR flight into IFR conditions. That stuff can be anywhere and it can be very warm out as the pavement can remain very cold, especially in shadows.
Forgot to mention this is good example of why engine guards are a good thing if you do these long rides in the middle of nowhere. Lucky you didn't hole the case; with guards, overall damage might have been zero other than perhaps a scratch or two on the bar ends and levers. I tested a set a long time ago and they work.
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#5
Glad no one was hurt Frulk. Nasty business, ice.
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(11-12-2016, 05:05 PM)Cormanus_imp Wrote: Glad no one was hurt Frulk. Nasty business, ice.

+1
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#7
Good to hear that there were no serious injuries. Also good knowledge.
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#8
Yup...two things you can't beat. Gravity and black ice. Hope all are ok.
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#9
Anytime you can ride away from an accident, a good thing. So glad there were no serious injuries.

Ice can really be a scary thing, especially to a southern boy like me with near zero experience with it.
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#10
What Redbirds said!

Luckily no one was hurt and the parts can be had on-line for not too much.
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