Open Face Crash

[Gustav_imp]

A lot of truth Is in your post, Ferret - I go with you. I believe I am a sure driver, but I always believe in God :-).

Regatds
Gustav



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[Aussie_imp]

I attended a crash last year. Guy came off a motor scooter in the city taking a corner at about 25kph. Open face helmet, slow speed minor accident. He broke his jaw and it wasn't pretty. No other injuries either apart from his face. Now imagine coming off at 50 or 60 kph. I've come off and rolled a few times and my helmet was scuffed up everywhere, especially around the face. I'm not the overly cautious type but its the full face for me.


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[CA200_imp]

What a great thread. Like many here I wear a full face all the time.
A good part of my retail life of 25 years was selling helmets.
A lot of time you spend selling you have to bite your tongue because
as many have said people can decide their own risk factor .
When you sell helmets you have a lot of info and you see a lot more
out come from crashes. - A few stories -
The couple who went from a Gold wing to a HD and decided they did not need helmets, - He lost his balance at a stop sign, she fell off hit
her head on the pavement and died from head trama.
The local BMW club pres. got hit from behind by a 18 wheeler at speed ( yes he had hi vis and all those extra brake lights) in full gear and walked out of the hospital 2 hours later. You had to look hard
to tell it was a motorcycle he was on from the pictures.
I know these are far fetched but I could go on and on. Every year
we lost customers, most with out helmets. I could go on and on.
For me I like a full face. Last crash was face first. I think you can
ride longer with out that blast of air ,dirt , bugs etc. Don't care for the
flip up helmets. Noisy and have seen these fail and cause some bad
injuries. Used to wear open face back in the 60s. I did fall on my
face back then but that is another story.
I think I might consider a open face again if I get a scooter again.
But then again when it rains or it's cold I want my full face.
( it never gets hot up here)
I wear a Shoei Qwest

[DAC]

What a great thread. Like many here I wear a full face all the time.
A good part of my retail life of 25 years was selling helmets.
A lot of time you spend selling you have to bite your tongue because
as many have said people can decide their own risk factor .
When you sell helmets you have a lot of info and you see a lot more
out come from crashes. - A few stories -
The couple who went from a Gold wing to a HD and decided they did not need helmets, - He lost his balance at a stop sign, she fell off hit
her head on the pavement and died from head trama.
The local BMW club pres. got hit from behind by a 18 wheeler at speed ( yes he had hi vis and all those extra brake lights) in full gear and walked out of the hospital 2 hours later. You had to look hard
to tell it was a motorcycle he was on from the pictures.
I know these are far fetched but I could go on and on. Every year
we lost customers, most with out helmets. I could go on and on.
For me I like a full face. Last crash was face first. I think you can
ride longer with out that blast of air ,dirt , bugs etc. Don't care for the
flip up helmets. Noisy and have seen these fail and cause some bad
injuries. Used to wear open face back in the 60s. I did fall on my
face back then but that is another story.
I think I might consider a open face again if I get a scooter again.
But then again when it rains or it's cold I want my full face.
( it never gets hot up here)
I wear a Shoei Qwest

That's a nice lid.

[grover_imp]

I live in Texas and frequently ride in 100+ degrees F and 60%+ humidity. I primarily wear a full face helmet but on occasion I'll wear a Licks Cycles 3/4 helmet with either a face shield or goggles, primarily just for short jaunts around town. I've been on the highway with it, but the whistling and lift experienced make it pretty uncomfortable for more than 10 or so minutes.


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[AzBob_imp]

You know I could buy into all the guys saying dress for the crash, not for the ride, but it seems to me that if one were REALLY, and I mean really, interested in being safe, all the ATGATT guys would be wearing more Hi Viz..jackets, helmets etc, and although I am seeing more of it these days, very few are giving up their black or bike matching colored jackets and helmets for Hi Viz.

Isn't it better to try and avoid the crash in the first place than to just wear gear to help in case of?

Isn't the number one excuse for drivers pulling out in front of motorcyclists the old "I didn't see him" line?

On my recent tour out west I wore a high viz vest over top of my regular gear 100% the time. I was in strange areas, looking for hidden roads, with unfamiliar traffic patterns. I wanted people to see me. I also had extra reflective stickers on my helmet and bike ( seems many on this forum immediately remove the side reflectors on their bikes). I saw lots of bikes on our trip out west. Jim's jacket and my vest were the only Hi Viz gear I saw,

[url=http://smg.photobucket.com/user/theferret111/media/Calitrip416_zps937cbbec.jpg.html]

I can tell you from working 25 years in the highway traffic safety field, that Hi Viz is the most important thing you can wear if you want to be seen on the highway. Without question, the greatest thing you can wear from a safety stand point.

So, many of you safety first guys, what is your excuse for not wearing Hi Viz gear?

My helmet is mostly white, and my leather jacket is white. Doesn't exactly match either of my two red bikes.

As for hi-viz, while it certainly can't hurt, no evidence exists that I'm aware of that says it increases visibility of motorcyclists. If someone can't see my highbeam from the front, they're unlikely to see the hi-viz vest, which pales in comparison. From the side, the vest is non-existent. Perhaps from the back it could help, and also at night. Also, if you're on a proper ST bike with a high-viz vest and a white helmet, you start looking like the popo, which can be good.

[Elipten_imp]

I wear Hi-Viz jacket and helmet. Wish the bike was Hi-Viz. Maybe next time it needs a paint job. Anything to get a leg up on the cagers.


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[pechorin75_imp]

You know I could buy into all the guys saying dress for the crash, not for the ride, but it seems to me that if one were REALLY, and I mean really, interested in being safe, all the ATGATT guys would be wearing more Hi Viz..jackets, helmets etc, and although I am seeing more of it these days, very few are giving up their black or bike matching colored jackets and helmets for Hi Viz.

Isn't it better to try and avoid the crash in the first place than to just wear gear to help in case of?

Isn't the number one excuse for drivers pulling out in front of motorcyclists the old "I didn't see him" line?

On my recent tour out west I wore a high viz vest over top of my regular gear 100% the time. I was in strange areas, looking for hidden roads, with unfamiliar traffic patterns. I wanted people to see me. I also had extra reflective stickers on my helmet and bike ( seems many on this forum immediately remove the side reflectors on their bikes). I saw lots of bikes on our trip out west. Jim's jacket and my vest were the only Hi Viz gear I saw,



I can tell you from working 25 years in the highway traffic safety field, that Hi Viz is the most important thing you can wear if you want to be seen on the highway. Without question, the greatest thing you can wear from a safety stand point.

So, many of you safety first guys, what is your excuse for not wearing Hi Viz gear?

My helmet is mostly white, and my leather jacket is white. Doesn't exactly match either of my two red bikes.

As for hi-viz, while it certainly can't hurt, no evidence exists that I'm aware of that says it increases visibility of motorcyclists. If someone can't see my highbeam from the front, they're unlikely to see the hi-viz vest, which pales in comparison. From the side, the vest is non-existent. Perhaps from the back it could help, and also at night. Also, if you're on a proper ST bike with a high-viz vest and a white helmet, you start looking like the popo, which can be good.

This New Zealand study reached some interesting conclusions about hi-viz and accident stats: [url=http://www.bmj.com/content/328/7444/857]http://www.bmj.com/content/328/7444/857

Nothing scientific, but I've always felt like cars give me a wider berth when I'm wearing hi-viz. And again, just me personally, but somebody wearing a hi-viz jacket sticks out like a sore thumb against almost any background. I find it's almost hard NOT to look at them.

Plus hi-viz works regardless of the direction from which you're being observed, unlike high-beams or flashing taillights. (I don't know about you guys, but when I use high beam during the day, quite a few cars flash me.)

[the Ferret]

Discussing...not preaching!

I know you wont see a highway worker standing in the road NOT wearing HI Viz protective gear.

I know when I am out riding and see another rider wearing HI Viz he sticks out like a sore thumb, and is easily visible amongst his surroundings.

http://driving-tests.org/beginner-driver...essential/

To me it is like a helmet, another tool to help protect me. I'm not going to depend on Hi Viz to save my life. I don't trust people to see me when I am wearing it, but I certainly hope they do. I'm not depending on the helmet either. I'm hoping both help if I get in a situation where I need them.

Sobering fact: From 1968 to 1978 we had a mandatory helmet law here in Ohio. Every motorcyclist killed during that 10 year period was wearing a helmet. The Bell Star full face helmet was introduced in 1968 (not trying to make a connection there, just saying full faces were available and very popular. We sold a ton of them..I often wore one). I am not anti helmet. I wear one every time I throw a leg over a motorcycle. I just worry when I hear people say " I am safe because I wear a full face helmet". Well, not necessarily. You have upped your odds, but you are certainly not SAFE yet.

The best advice I have is not to trust any piece of equipment to save your life..not Hi Viz clothing, nor full face helmet, nor ABS brakes. It takes much more than that to survive.

Save your own life by not putting yourself in situations that could take it.

As far as stories go, there was a guy killed last summer not 3 miles from my house. The guy was all geared up, as he should have been, full face helmet, armored jacket, gloves, boots. Unfortunately he was riding too fast, failed to negotiate a right hand curve and hit a truck head on. Sometimes all the protective gear in the world can't overcome circumstances and fate.

[ThomWill_imp]

Discussing...not preaching!

I know you wont see a highway worker standing in the road NOT wearing HI Viz protective gear.

I know when I am out riding and see another rider wearing HI Viz he sticks out like a sore thumb, and is easily visible amongst his surroundings.

http://driving-tests.org/beginner-driver...essential/

To me it is like a helmet, another tool to help protect me. I'm not going to depend on Hi Viz to save my life. I don't trust people to see me when I am wearing it, but I certainly hope they do. I'm not depending on the helmet either. I'm hoping both help if I get in a situation where I need them.

Sobering fact: From 1968 to 1978 we had a mandatory helmet law here in Ohio. Every motorcyclist killed during that 10 year period was wearing a helmet. The Bell Star full face helmet was introduced in 1968 (not trying to make a connection there, just saying full faces were available and very popular. We sold a ton of them..I often wore one). I am not anti helmet. I wear one every time I throw a leg over a motorcycle. I just worry when I hear people say " I am safe because I wear a full face helmet". Well, not necessarily. You have upped your odds, but you are certainly not SAFE yet.

The best advice I have is not to trust any piece of equipment to save your life..not Hi Viz clothing, nor full face helmet, nor ABS brakes. It takes much more than that to survive.

Save your own life by not putting yourself in situations that could take it.

As far as stories go, there was a guy killed last summer not 3 miles from my house. The guy was all geared up, as he should have been, full face helmet, armored jacket, gloves, boots. Unfortunately he was riding too fast, failed to negotiate a right hand curve and hit a truck head on. Sometimes all the protective gear in the world can't overcome circumstances and fate.

You can only ever be safe-er. Nothing about the road is safe, if it was, there would be no adrenaline to it and we would probably not do it.