Sayonara to the CB1100, with an exit interview.

[physics-teacher_imp]

Off the specs? I bet the original CB750 with its four carbs wouldn't even be close to passing modern and coming EPA standards and probably can only with an exemption in some place like CA due to its age; exempt from pollution controls. So if you want the look of a big air cooled four, you just have to pay the price of weight. If you want scalding performance you buy a transformer-appearing water cooled four with great power at 14000 rpm. The CB1100 is a refreshing breath of fresh air, albeit heavy air, in this water-pumper dominated age. We have to love the bike for what it is and not insist on something different. If we insist, we'll be paying the big price for titanium this, carbon fiber that to make a four cylinder Ducati or something out of it. We might just have well started with a nice MV Agusta and be done with it.

[Ulvetanna_imp]

[the Ferret]

whew..ok lets examine the FACTs shall we

as you stated above the original CB 750 made 67 hp and weighed 499 pounds

the CB1100 std, like you had, weighed 545 pounds and made 84 hp

the original Triumph Bonneville weighed 365 pounds and made 45 hp

the Street Cup like you just bought weighs 440 pounds and makes 53 hp

So the CB gained 46 pounds over the original.. the Street Cup gained 75 pounds over the original

The CB gained 17 hp over the original and the Street Cup gained 8 hp

The CB gained not quite 1/2 as much weight and gained twice as much hp as compared to the Triumph

The CB gained 350cc the Street Cup 250 cc in displacement

The extra 100cc from the enlarged Honda engine nets you 21 hp over the enlarged Triumph engine

I agree getting 84 hp out of an 1100 isn't all that much, but getting only 53 hp out of a 900cc engine is worse wouldn't you say? But even worse is the 75 pound weight gain.

and for the record on my 2013 std I routinely went 180 miles on the tank before starting to look for a gas station, so a 200 mile range was certainly doable for me. Many here are getting more than 50 mpg out of their CB's, some in the low 60's.

[physics-teacher_imp]

Good ol' Ferret, sticking up again for that indefensible fat pig, the CB1100! (ha, ha!) But for those who think the CB too heavy, just what parts do you think of taking off? Or substituting titanium, etc? I've got it! Those fenders should be plastic! The gas tank, too! Now make the headlight smaller, like my Spotster! But whoops.. there goes the look we admire, the 1970s 80s look. Here comes yet another beast with a wasp stinger instead of a rear fender that might actually do you some good and an engine that looks like the plumbing department at Home Depot.

[Capo]

Triumph also created an entire class of bikes, with enticing variants, massive factory accessory programs, and enthusiast outreach. Specs are the last refuge of scoundrels.

I do like scoundrels, by the way.


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[mininsx_imp]

I think you made a good choice. The Street Cup is a good-looking bike. I sat on a Thruxton several months ago when I thought I might like one, but the riding position was too much like my '05 CBR1000RR and it was painful to ride in my old age.

[DAC]

Good ol' Ferret, sticking up again for that indefensible fat pig, the CB1100! (ha, ha!) But for those who think the CB too heavy, just what parts do you think of taking off? Or substituting titanium, etc? I've got it! Those fenders should be plastic! The gas tank, too! Now make the headlight smaller, like my Spotster! But whoops.. there goes the look we admire, the 1970s 80s look. Here comes yet another beast with a wasp stinger instead of a rear fender that might actually do you some good and an engine that looks like the plumbing department at Home Depot.

Actually, a lot of the current nakeds look LESS organized than my local Home Depot.

[the Ferret]

LOL look I very much enjoy discussing motorcycles, all of them, believe me I can remember a lot of stuff about motorcycles going all the way back to the 50's and beyond even if I can't remember what I had for lunch, however I don't like slanted diatribes. Tell both sides of the story. Give the facts for one, give the facts for the other.

Nothing wrong with Triumphs, I bought a new one in 2003 and rode it 30,000 miles then sold it to my younger brother who rode it another 10,000 and sold it to my son's father in law who is still riding it. One of my 3 favorite motorcycles of all time is the 67 Bonneville in Burgoine and white. The epitome of a 60's sporting motorcycle. My younger brother just bought a brand new T-120 and I have ridden it a bit. Nice bike. Very comparable to the CB. It's 1969 all over again lol.

I will agree Triumph has done an outstanding job of marketing their latest offereings whereas Honda has..well.. NOT.

and yes I will defend the motorcycle that I pulled cash out of my pocket to buy 2 of just as I expect everyone else to defend motorcycle they bought be it a Thruxton, a Street Cup, or a Sym Wolf. Come on the CB1100 forum and say bad things about the CB1100 and there is a good chance I am going to respond. Poke and prod a Ferret enough and he will bite lol

[Ulvetanna_imp]

[emptysea]

So...here's the thing. It is NOT a fact that the CB1100 experienced "poor sales". There are no statistics to back that up and, in fact, there is more evidence to suggest that Honda sold just about as many as it expected to sell -- it always was intended to be a limited production bike. While I think that Honda missed the mark by not making this bike the flagship of a "Nostalgia Line" (think maybe a 1300cc retro-GL and a UJM styled CB500 and maybe even a retro-scooter), they didn't go that way and instead brought out the CB1100 for a limited run and are now re-introducing it with some modifications. If Honda thought that the original bikes were poor sellers, why would they bring out a new version of the same model?

Also, the 2013 does not have what anyone would really call a "peanut tank" - at 3.9 gallons and with a 150+ mile range, the tank is just fine (I agree that the extra capacity of the DLX is better, though).