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(01-10-2018, 07:07 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: OK just in from 111 smile ride (see what I did there? lol)
Yes 4th and 5th will both rev past 5K. I took both to 6K. 6 K in 4th is exactly 95 mph.
6K in 5th I have no idea how fast I was going I was afraid to look but, I was going REALLY fast lol. Over 100. Fastest I have ever been on this motorcycle by a bunch.
Wasn't about to try 6K in 6th, but (like the video) I'm sure you'd be against the speed limiter at those rpms.
Like I said, a really slow revver and it takes a lonnngg time to get there if you start at a normal cruising speed of 3500 rpms in either gear. Not so much if you jump it up in the lower gears and then keep banging away on the shifter. I thought to myself you don't time 60-100 with a stopwatch on this bike, you time it with a sundial lol.
But that matters not to me, I had a great ride, reaffirmed my love affair with her..and had new Pilot Road 3's leaning against my garage door when I got in from my ride. Life is good.
I also thought while riding, this is unequivocally the WRONG bike for VLJ, but the RIGHT bike for me.
VLJ...do yourself a favor, keep the XSR.
So 6K must be where the rev limiter kicks in, and it wasn't the rev limiter but the top-speed limiter that prevented the guy in the video from going any faster than 5K in sixth.
Well, heck, I'm still wondering if the rev limiter applies to fourth gear!
Quote:Like I said, a really slow revver and it takes a lonnngg time to get there if you start at a normal cruising speed of 3500 rpms in either gear. Not so much if you jump it up in the lower gears and then keep banging away on the shifter. I thought to myself you don't time 60-100 with a stopwatch on this bike, you time it with a sundial lol.
That sounds downright scary. 60 to 100, measured by a sundial? I routinely do 60-to-100 zip-passes on open highways and freeways, and even on open two-lane country roads. I don't want to have to plan my passes based on molasses-slow acceleration.
Quote:I also thought while riding, this is unequivocally the WRONG bike for VLJ, but the RIGHT bike for me.
If it's truly that slow, you're right, I won't like it. The thing is, nothing else I've ever read gave me the impression that the CB1100 is sundial slow. Usually the comments go something along the lines of, "It's not fast, but it's not slow either. It's still an eleven hundred inline-four, with plenty of grunt. It has more than enough power for any situation."
What you're describing is highway acceleration similar to my wife's old Suzuki GS500. Yeah, I'm certainly expecting a lot more than that from the big CB.
Okay, it's frame-of-reference time now. You have an ST1300. I used to have one, and also an ST1100. While certainly not sport bikes by any means, I never found either bike to be lacking in right now overtaking power between 60 and 100. When I pulled the trigger, they took off. Are you saying that your CB accelerates significantly more slowly than your ST1300?
Quote:VLJ...do yourself a favor, keep the XSR.
Yep, you're scaring me, man.
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Not sure I agree with Ferret's assessment pertaining to acceleration and passing. I routinely make quick passes while commuting on the freeway. A lot of people around here camp in the left lane doing 60-65 mph. I like to keep a pace around 80 mph if I can. If I'm in 6th, a quick drop to 5th and easy twist of the throttle jumps me to around 85-95 before I'm even past them.
6th is not a passing gear. I don't even touch 6th under 70 mph. 60-100 sounds like a job for 4th gear if you really want to scoot, but even in 5th gear the word "molasses" doesn't come to mind. If you're in 6th @ 60 mph the bike is nowhere near it's power band.
I don't know either of them, but based on what I've read on this forum I suspect that VLJ and I have more spirited riding styles than Ferret and find ourselves in the higher RPM range more often.
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Egleaves, pretty much everyone on the board has a more spirited riding style than Ferret. 
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(01-10-2018, 09:21 AM)egleaves_imp Wrote: Not sure I agree with Ferret's assessment pertaining to acceleration and passing. I routinely make quick passes while commuting on the freeway. A lot of people around here camp in the left lane doing 60-65 mph. I like to keep a pace around 80 mph if I can. If I'm in 6th, a quick drop to 5th and easy twist of the throttle jumps me to around 85-95 before I'm even past them.
6th is not a passing gear. I don't even touch 6th under 70 mph. 60-100 sounds like a job for 4th gear if you really want to scoot, but even in 5th gear the word "molasses" doesn't come to mind. If you're in 6th @ 60 mph the bike is nowhere near it's power band.
I don't know either of them, but based on what I've read on this forum I suspect that VLJ and I have more spirited riding styles than Ferret and find ourselves in the higher RPM range more often.
That's more how I expect it to be. I just can't believe that any modern Honda 1100cc I-4 could ever struggle to shoot quickly up to Vaporize Any And All Traffic speed on a freeway.
It does sound rather disappointing, though, that people keep talking about needing to downshift in order to make quick passes. That's normally the whole point of a large, torquey motor: massive, effortless acceleration at any RPM. It's the little motors that normally require downshifts for instant acceleration, not the liter bikes.
On a different note, I visited "my" '17 EX again at the local Honda shop. Yep, same vin number. It's still there.
Gawd, that thing is just stupidly gorgeous.
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A stock CB1100 will do 60+ in first, 80+ in second and 100+in third.
0-30
1.2 seconds
0-60
3.3 seconds
0-90
6.8 seconds
0-100
8.6 seconds
1/4 mile
12.11 seconds @ 109.25
I have driven cars (legally) at speeds to 135 MPH without concern for control, so I am not speed shy, though I normally cruise within about 10 MPH of speed limit.
Never had ossasion to exceed 110, maybe 115 on a bike.
With only a fly screen it is simply not comfortable.
So a supposed 110 speed limiter is of no concern to me.
After 1,000 miles on the odometer, I have taken it twice to 8,000 RPMs in second and in third. It is NOT slow. Rare to have need to exceed ~6,500, even at high altitude...climbing an 8% grade...passing...but nice to know what it can do.
The one time I continued accelarating in 4th, my attention switched from tach to speedo and I backed off as the needle was rapidly climbing from 110 to 115...hence the comment about the supposed 110 limit...did not notice the tach reading at that point.
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SportsterDoc, yep, I tend to be in your camp. I have a feeling ol' mickey here is engaging in a fair bit of sandbagging with all this "sundial slow" talk.
On a very positive note, it looks like egleaves is planning on letting us do a real ride this Sunday, not just a quick spin around the block. Better still, it sounds like he and I tend to ride the same roads, and he likes to do more than just cruise along while smelling the roses.
Dude is an absolute godsend.
 
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(01-10-2018, 09:37 AM)Lord Popgun_imp Wrote: Egleaves, pretty much everyone on the board has a more spirited riding style than Ferret.
Even so, popgun, go ride with him and try keeping up.
VLJ, the law here forbids speeds approaching 100 mph (160 kph). The police enforce speed limits with enthusiasm and there are mandatory severe penalties for second offenses of speeds in excess of 20 kph above the speed limit. So it’s not worth experimenting. The maximum speed limit on a freeway here is 110 kph. My 2011 CB is a 5 speed and I seldom find a problem overtaking in top gear. The caveat is that I’ve never ridden a crazy fast motorbike so I’ve no basis for comparison. I have ridden an ST1300 and can’t recall that it accelerated a whole heap better than the CB1100. Might have been more comfortable at speed because of the windscreen.
Oh ... the tunnel in the video was, I think, in South Korea.
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Of my 1800 goldwing i feel much more sporty as with my CBs 1100.....
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(01-10-2018, 09:39 AM)VLJ_imp Wrote: (01-10-2018, 09:21 AM)egleaves_imp Wrote: Not sure I agree with Ferret's assessment pertaining to acceleration and passing. I routinely make quick passes while commuting on the freeway. A lot of people around here camp in the left lane doing 60-65 mph. I like to keep a pace around 80 mph if I can. If I'm in 6th, a quick drop to 5th and easy twist of the throttle jumps me to around 85-95 before I'm even past them.
6th is not a passing gear. I don't even touch 6th under 70 mph. 60-100 sounds like a job for 4th gear if you really want to scoot, but even in 5th gear the word "molasses" doesn't come to mind. If you're in 6th @ 60 mph the bike is nowhere near it's power band.
I don't know either of them, but based on what I've read on this forum I suspect that VLJ and I have more spirited riding styles than Ferret and find ourselves in the higher RPM range more often.
That's more how I expect it to be. I just can't believe that any modern Honda 1100cc I-4 could ever struggle to shoot quickly up to Vaporize Any And All Traffic speed on a freeway.
It does sound rather disappointing, though, that people keep talking about needing to downshift in order to make quick passes. That's normally the whole point of a large, torquey motor: massive, effortless acceleration at any RPM. It's the little motors that normally require downshifts for instant acceleration, not the liter bikes.
On a different note, I visited "my" '17 EX again at the local Honda shop. Yep, same vin number. It's still there.
Gawd, that thing is just stupidly gorgeous.
Yep. I'd wager that's the main reason most of us love our bikes.
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Cormanus, we have the same speed laws here, of course. I just can't abide, not when I'm on a motorcycle, anyway. Roads marked '35 mph' or even '55 mph,' when you're on a Street Triple R or XSR900? Not going to happen. Those '35 mph' roads are meant for 60-70 mph on a good bike, and '55 mph' translates to whatever you're in the mood for at the moment.
The freeways are a different matter. There, sure, except for the occasional short blast, I try to keep it within ten mph of the speed limit. Now that I'm no longer able to ride forward-lean sportbikes my days of doing 160 mph on the street, or even just a sustained 100+ mph, are long gone.
It's been raining in these parts for the last few days, but Sunday is supposed to be 100% sunny. That's good, but I'll still be on a wholly unfamiliar bike—someone else's bike, to boot—and the roads are likely to be a bit wet and cruddy, so I'll be taking it easy during our test ride. I'll squirt it up in each gear when I can, and out on the highway I'll see how it accelerates in fourth, fifth, and sixth, but I won't attempt to test the handling or braking. I'll be happy just to get a basic feel for those things, and no more.
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