Honda WN7

[Lunchbag]

I will add that at first the non-tactile sense you get when you climb on an EV bike is weird. When I took my test ride on the Zero, the guy pulled it out of the shop, turned on the key and said "there it's running". I said "what's running?" as I couldn't hear or feel anything sitting on the bike. It was just a dead lump. He said just twist the throttle and you'll go. So I did. Rode about a block and came to a stop sign. When I stopped I immediately thought " dang, this thing just quit" (because there is no sound or vibration to let you know it's in fact still running) as I was looking down and around at the "motor" trying to figure out how to get it started again. I twisted the throttle and it took off again. Weird...although I guess you get used to it.

I had a similar experience on my first electric ride.  When I first came to a stop, I heard the chirp of a small bird in the distance.  It was weird.  I may have heard an ant drop a crumb    The only objectionable thing I found during that ride was a bit of a dead-band feeling when reapplying throttle after releasing to decelerate.  I think the professionals have tuned their throttle response to mimic acceleration control rather than speed control which is what my controller is set up for.  Not sure.  After a couple rides I quit noticing the deadband.  I haven't noticed the gyroscopic effect that MrP observed, but I haven't tried the Zero either.

Looking again at the Verge, I notice they retained the left hand lever, usually gone on an electric motorcycle.  They must be using it for the rear brake, since I don't see a foot brake.  Surprisingly, Zero filed a patent application last year to use a left hand lever to mimic a traditional clutch.

[Gone in 60]

The LiveWire bikes have a haptic "pulse" when they are "on", a rhythmic sort of thumping feeling.

[alprider]

or this brand from italy ..last year they was down but now with asian invest again wake up....

https://www.energica.lv/models

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mr baron....silence is golden.......

[the Ferret]

or this brand from italy ..last year they was down but now with asian invest again wake up....

https://www.energica.lv/models

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mr baron....silence is golden.......

The cheapest one is $32,000?  yikes

[peterbaron]

Stop writing about the electric bikes… cuz I am afraid of being electrocuted while reading about them..

[rdprdp01]

My post may result in a harsh critique from Forum Members. It has happened before, and I am sure it will happen again.

For what it is worth, I am a lifelong “traditional” road racer / bicyclist. I started riding road bikes at the same time I began riding motorcycles.

I have ridden more miles on a bicycle than driven on a motorcycle. I have spent more money on my road bikes than my motorcycles. I love both devices.

I can still maintain good form on a bicycle while riding a 3,000 meter ascent or spin for 250 KM on the flats. I am not a great cyclists—just good. In the last 45 years, I have experienced firsthand the technology waves in cycling and motorcycling.

I assert that “ebikes” are more “motorcycle” than “bicycle.” I assert bicycle manufacturers have done a far superior job catering to youth than motorcycle manufacturers. One of my heroes agrees:

FortNine’s Take on Ebikes

My history of bicycling is what enabled me to recover from the assault I suffered. Self propulsion has metabolic benefits that are undeniable.

But my soul was healed by riding a CB1100EX and joining this Forum.

Honda made a wise choice to delay entering into the “electric” market. But with respect, they may learn more by looking to advance the direction taken by Specialized than LiveWire. Humbly submitted, David

[Cormanus]

Good old Ryan. He nearly always has an interesting take on things.

[the Ferret]

Electric bikes do have some things going for them.... no valve inspections/adjustments, no air filters, no spark plugs, no oil filters, no oil, generally they are belt driven reducing maintenance on that end. You never have to buy gas again. They are quiet and produce very few emissions, most of those related to tire wear. Great for in city commuting. Easy to keep clean.

They also have drawbacks...initial buy in cost is astronomical compared to an equivalent ice bike, short range, long charging times. You can't get too far from a charger. Usually they are not particularly attractive, because batteries are not as attractive as motors. Sparse dealer networks and mechanics aren't familiar with them if there are issues.

[peterbaron]

AMEN

[the Ferret]

This is a good video explaining the benefits and drawbacks of electric motorcycles..fast forward to 16:27 in the video to get the meat of the info

https://www.google.com/search?q=are+elec...CgCDE,st:0