Biker / Rider

[use2b_imp]

Ever since I saw the video posted here about how a bike is perceived by another driver (and I can't remember who posted it but whoever did, thank you) I've started zig zagging when approaching a car that's about to pull onto the road or make a left turn in front of me to make myself more visible. More than once I've had them wave (in a good way) to acknowledge they've seen me. There's defensive riding and then there's proactive defensive riding, I prefer the latter. Yes, it's the responsibility of the driver of that car to see me but the knowledge of that isn't going to help me any in a hospital bed.

great idea , i never thought of that .
this would help when people have their flags , teddy bears , beads and cutesy things hanging from the mirror , even the handicapped placards can hide an oncoming motorcycle

[Houtman_imp]

If loud pipes save lives why don't those riders wear more/better protective gear to save their OWN life ?

[KiowaEagle_imp]

Ever since I saw the video posted here about how a bike is perceived by another driver (and I can't remember who posted it but whoever did, thank you) I've started zig zagging when approaching a car that's about to pull onto the road or make a left turn in front of me to make myself more visible. More than once I've had them wave (in a good way) to acknowledge they've seen me. There's defensive riding and then there's proactive defensive riding, I prefer the latter. Yes, it's the responsibility of the driver of that car to see me but the knowledge of that isn't going to help me any in a hospital bed.

great idea , i never thought of that .
this would help when people have their flags , teddy bears , beads and cutesy things hanging from the mirror , even the handicapped placards can hide an oncoming motorcycle

great idea , i never thought of that .
this would help when people have their flags , teddy bears , beads and cutesy things hanging from the mirror , even the handicapped placards can hide an oncoming motorcycle
That plus the human brain instinctively registers movement. Besides, it's more fun than riding in a straight line.

[LongRanger_imp]

"Fault" is the word I take with issue with LR. If you had said something like "we have the ability to avoid most accidents", I'd agree 100% with what you said. My insurance background makes me hesitant to use "fault" like you did, but I see and agree with your larger point.

Sea, I didn't mean "fault" in the legal sense. You explained it better than I did. Thanks for clarifying.

[emptysea]

If loud pipes save lives why don't those riders wear more/better protective gear to save their OWN life ?

An excellent question and one that I may pose to some of my friends who chant this mantra on occasion.

Ever since I saw the video posted here about how a bike is perceived by another driver (and I can't remember who posted it but whoever did, thank you) I've started zig zagging when approaching a car that's about to pull onto the road or make a left turn in front of me to make myself more visible. More than once I've had them wave (in a good way) to acknowledge they've seen me. There's defensive riding and then there's proactive defensive riding, I prefer the latter. Yes, it's the responsibility of the driver of that car to see me but the knowledge of that isn't going to help me any in a hospital bed.

great idea , i never thought of that .
this would help when people have their flags , teddy bears , beads and cutesy things hanging from the mirror , even the handicapped placards can hide an oncoming motorcycle

great idea , i never thought of that .
this would help when people have their flags , teddy bears , beads and cutesy things hanging from the mirror , even the handicapped placards can hide an oncoming motorcycle
I do this. It must work since I haven't been hit yet. LOL Actually, it may be in my mind, but it seems like fewer drivers try to jump out ahead of me or across my path since employing this technique.

[misterprofessionality]

If loud pipes save lives then everybody on a Zero is dead meat....

[Houtman_imp]

That is why you see so few electric motorcycles on the road, most get killed in the first week of riding because nobody hears them ….

[LongRanger_imp]

When driving my car on the freeway, I'll check my mirrors every 5 seconds or so and usually have a good sense of the traffic around me, including motorcyclists. But occasionally, some biker will fly past at extreme high speed from seemingly nowhere. Yep, I never saw him. He certainly wasn't there a moment earlier. The guy on the bike cruising with the traffic flow -- yep, he's still there, but I never saw the speeder. My fault if I hit him but it's his own stupidity and neglect to assume I ever saw him in the first place. Loud pipes, piercing lights and neon riding gear won't change his fate.

[misterprofessionality]

That is why you see so few electric motorcycles on the road, most get killed in the first week of riding because nobody hears them ….

also, don't forget, those batteries explode, so there's not even any evidence left behind to prove it! Zero is hiding the uncomfortable truth from the masses, man.

[rotor]

HOW TO UNDERSTAND A BIKER
When you see us moving past you quickly:
Don’t take offense or think we’re trying to "show off”.
Ninety five percent of the time,
we’re trying to get out of your blind spot or taking ourselves out of a potential dangerous situation that has evolved around us. Distancing ourselves from you does not mean we want to race, but that we’re giving ourselves the edge we need at the moment.
When you hear our horn:
Don’t take offense or think we’re trying to aggravate you. All we’re doing is letting you
know where we are in relation to you on the road, and we’re more than likely aware of your inattentiveness to us while you're talking/texting on a cell phone, eating, reading or involved in some other distracting aspect to your driving. It’s important to us, and you, that you know we’re there.
When you hear our loud pipes:
Don’t become angry and hostile toward us. Yes, some are quite loud, but for some, there’s a purpose behind being loud. It’s about letting you know we’re close by and we’re constantly hoping that our investment in this accessory will help save our lives. Our pipes are really not about our ego…it’s a pride and personalization to our form of transportation.
When you see us in our clothes:
Don’t become fearful of us or think us weird. Our leather jackets, chaps, gloves and
boots are the barriers between loosing massive amounts of flesh should something cause us to go down…nothing more, nothing less. Safety gear is paramount to our riding.
When you see aggressive riding bikers:
Don’t put us all in the same stereotypical category as those whose behavior and actions would cause you to react in disgust and intolerance. Many of us do not agree with this style of riding either, and we know and understand that human nature tends to blend us all together as the “same group”. Most of us don’t want that title…and don’t deserve it.
When you see a group of bikers on the roadways:
Give us the courtesy of sharing the road with you. Please don’t “move in” between several
bikers in formation. This gets us very excited and nervous, especially when it’s done with
no due regard for our safety.
Provide us with your awareness of the fact that we are much more vulnerable than you.
We don’t want to challenge you, for all of us are wise enough to know…we’d lose that battle.
When you are turning left or entering a roadway/highway:
Look, then look again…and then one more time. For we can be easily hidden, and appear to be invisible by such things as a
telephone pole, another vehicle, bright lights or the glare of the sun…or possibly, the beads hanging from your rearview mirror, among numerous other items that are displayed there. If you see us flashing our
lights at you or blowing our horn, we’re only trying to ensure that you will see us before tragedy changes both our lives.
When you are behind us:
Please give us the room we need and don’t tailgate us. If you hit us, we’re going down…
HARD! We don’t want to play games with you, we just want to enjoy the ride and the fresh air, and experience that which many of you have never lived for. If we accelerate
away from you, we're only trying to take ourselves out of a bad situation if you insist on being too close.
Thank You for attempting to understand.


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"Formation" motorcycle riding on a public roadway in a is an antiquated, sociopathic pack behavour. It is no longer tolerated on public roads outside of this continent.

Out of curiosity: what the heck is a car driver supposed to do in order to overtake a pack of twenty or so morons on a "group ride"? Drive patiently behind them until they choose to stop for fuel or lunch?

Not me, not when I'm driving a car...