Put bike on centerstand

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Somehow there is a big communication failure here. Thumpers method is perfect. You walk up and stand next to the bike, which is leaning over on the side stand. Or you are riding, then stop, then put the bike on the side stand and get off. Either way then you step on the center stand lever (right foot) and then hold the bike straight up until you stabilize bike by feeling both pads of center stand touching the ground at the same time.... You have not touched the side stand which is still extended. Then you push down with right foot and pull up with right hand. If you hold the bike straight up then fold the side stand back, then you have to balance the bike while standing on one foot to operate the center stand. You don't try to put the bike on center stand while still straddling the bike. The manual doesn't say extend the side stand first because you do that before you get off..... Its already extended.

Again you are adding things into this that aren't there.
What if yer bike is parked in the garage and there is NO
getting off.You just want to put the bike on it's centerstand.
Should one just " pull up and back " with the right hand which
is gripping the left grab rail or with both the right hand and the
left hand { which is on the left hand grip }.
Is the intention for the left hand on the left hand grip just
for balance.
The only reason I'm making such a stink about this is that
the first time I tried it I failed miserably.I didn't even come
close.Because I had the sidestand down.I wasn't thinking.
This sidestand is an auto-retract sidestand.Meant to snap in
place and snap back when kicked,.What motor scooters use.
I'm not used to that.I'm a Cruiser guy.
So flog me.

[Deanohh_imp]

According to you, yer bike is parked on the garage. Evidently you got off after you parked it. Doesn't matter if it was yesterday, last year, or 1 minute ago. You stand next to the bike and straighten it upright. R foot pushes down hard on (sic) the center stand pedal, which is a lever arm to raise the bike. The r hand pulls up not back. The motion is as if there was a big strong rubber band between your r foot and r hand and you are trying to stretch the rubber band. L hand only keeps the front wheel straight. Start with the basics. Anybody can figure out slightly different situations.

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According to you, yer bike is parked on the garage. Evidently you got off after you parked it. Doesn't matter if it was yesterday, last year, or 1 minute ago. You stand next to the bike and straighten it upright. R foot pushes down hard on (sic) the center stand pedal, which is a lever arm to raise the bike. The r hand pulls up not back. The motion is as if there was a big strong rubber band between your r foot and r hand and you are trying to stretch the rubber band. L hand only keeps the front wheel straight. Start with the basics. Anybody can figure out slightly different situations.

Yer a troublemaker.A Contrarian.My proof.
Pg. 12 { owners manuel } " pull up and back ".
Those aren't my words.
In response to YOUR " The r hand pulls up not back ".
Notice " NOT back ".
Yer a troublemaker.I just proved it.
One certainly doesn't pull up and back with their right foot.

[the Ferret]

I admit I never leave the side stand down, putting a bike up on the center or taking it off. Never an issue for me, and "knock on wood" in what has to be a million of centerstand adventures with my own bikes over the last 47 years and working in the industry for 17 years, I've not dropped one yet.

Dang you deanohh..........


Ok, I have to amend this after reading Deanooh's post. I went out to the garage and looked at my bike sitting on the side stand. I leaned it up and popped it up on the centerstand , looked down, and damn it, the side stand was sticking out. I must subconsciously not even think about the side stand because I would have sworn that it was always up when I pop it up on the centerstand. Now I'm thinking I pop it up with the side stand extended, but kick the sidestand up once it's on the ceneterstand, because " I KNOW" I extend the sidestand after rocking the bike off the centerstand, so that the bike is leaned over so I can mount it.

So...I went and looked for a picture of my bike on the centerstand to see if I do or do not leave the sidestand extended when on the centerstand. Picture was taken months ago before this discussion ever came up, so I know it was my "norm"

Tada.. On centestand, but side stand is up

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And my old Nighthawk

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And my ST

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My old FZ

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My old Sabre


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One of my old 650 Yams

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So to me it's pretty obvious this is how i normally do it. Sidestand gets kicked up, once it's on the centerstand. After I rock it off the centerstand I put the side stand down and lean it over.

[dBuster_imp]

I'm with Meowguy. I leave the sidestand down as an out in case something goes wrong (though it never has). I could see something happening, like my foot slipping off the centerstand arm during the lift. if the sidestand is down at least I have a chance by pulling the bike toward me.

I've always been a belt and suspenders kind of guy

Why doesn't the CB 1100 Manual suggest that operation.?
To put the sidestand down and then lift the centerstand.
Probably because it doesn't work.In fact,it really makes
the entire operation near impossible.
Like what I said originally.

I don't know what method you're using, but something doesn't sound right. I've never had a sidestand become an issue when putting a bike on its' centerstand. Like Ferret said, the ST1300 is probably the "hardest" bike to put on a centerstand, even though I owned a GL1800 for 9 years. All of my bikes get parked on their centerstands when put in the garage (race stand for the bikes that lack a centerstand.)

From your earlier description, it sounds like you're using too much emphasis on the right hand and left hand. Like I said, I've put a 900 lb Goldwing on its stand hundreds of times, and the same amount for my 730lb ST1300. The CB1100 and VFR1200F are relatively easy compared to the previously mentioned "Big Un's."

I put most of my emphasis on forcefully pushing straight down with my right foot, some lifting effort on pulling upward with the right hand, and merely guiding the handlebar with the left hand, only ensuring the handlebar doesn't turn during the lift process.

I don't know what method you're using, but something doesn't sound right. I've never had a sidestand become an issue when putting a bike on its' centerstand. Like Ferret said, the ST1300 is probably the "hardest" bike to put on a centerstand, even though I owned a GL1800 for 9 years. All of my bikes get parked on their centerstands when put in the garage (race stand for the bikes that lack a centerstand.)

From your earlier description, it sounds like you're using too much emphasis on the right hand and left hand. Like I said, I've put a 900 lb Goldwing on its stand hundreds of times, and the same amount for my 730lb ST1300. The CB1100 and VFR1200F are relatively easy compared to the previously mentioned "Big Un's."

I put most of my emphasis on forcefully pushing straight down with my right foot, some lifting effort on pulling upward with the right hand, and merely guiding the handlebar with the left hand, only ensuring the handlebar doesn't turn during the lift process.
All I know is I couldn't even come close with the sidestand down.
And I hurt my back.The CB does have a spring loaded sidestand.
The only Bike I've owned that does.
Still doesn't explain why the manual { for all those who go strictly
by the manuel } says nothing about making sure and putting the
sidestand down before using the centerstand.
I know all model motorcycles have a spring attached to the sidestand.
But that doesn't make them spring loaded { automatically springs into place }.

Umm I do not mean to be a trouble maker here but you say this is the first bike that you owned that has a spring loaded side stand?! OMG seriously?! They are ALL spring loaded that is why they all have springs. Whether they snap up or not is depending on the spring and all the bikes I ever rode they snapped up. The cruisers are slightly different but I bet they spring up also but you just don't notice it as you don't look for it as the side stand weighs about 40 pounds alone.

Side note, I have never put the bike or any bike with a center stand to include scooters of varying sizes, on its center stand with the side stand down. I either get off of the bike holding it and then put it on the center stand or I put the side stand up first.

But to each their own. We all have our ways of doing things. If we get hurt doing it we must be doing it wrong in some way. Our bikes and those heavier ones if they have a side stand they are meant to be able to be put on it by any size rider, why else would they be there?!

[Deanohh_imp]

According to you, yer bike is parked on the garage. Evidently you got off after you parked it. Doesn't matter if it was yesterday, last year, or 1 minute ago. You stand next to the bike and straighten it upright. R foot pushes down hard on (sic) the center stand pedal, which is a lever arm to raise the bike. The r hand pulls up not back. The motion is as if there was a big strong rubber band between your r foot and r hand and you are trying to stretch the rubber band. L hand only keeps the front wheel straight. Start with the basics. Anybody can figure out slightly different situations.

Yer a troublemaker.A Contrarian.My proof.
Pg. 12 { owners manuel } " pull up and back ".
Those aren't my words.
In response to YOUR " The r hand pulls up not back ".
Notice " NOT back ".
Yer a troublemaker.I just proved it.
One certainly doesn't pull up and back with their right foot.

Yer a troublemaker.A Contrarian.My proof.
Pg. 12 { owners manuel } " pull up and back ".
Those aren't my words.
In response to YOUR " The r hand pulls up not back ".
Notice " NOT back ".
Yer a troublemaker.I just proved it.
One certainly doesn't pull up and back with their right foot.
I have been trying to help in good faith (this time) and all you do is insist on being a dick so I will not respond again to your nonsense. I give up. BTW, when you pull up the bike moves rearward by itself so if they think of it as pulling back., that's ok.

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According to you, yer bike is parked on the garage. Evidently you got off after you parked it. Doesn't matter if it was yesterday, last year, or 1 minute ago. You stand next to the bike and straighten it upright. R foot pushes down hard on (sic) the center stand pedal, which is a lever arm to raise the bike. The r hand pulls up not back. The motion is as if there was a big strong rubber band between your r foot and r hand and you are trying to stretch the rubber band. L hand only keeps the front wheel straight. Start with the basics. Anybody can figure out slightly different situations.

Yer a troublemaker.A Contrarian.My proof.
Pg. 12 { owners manuel } " pull up and back ".
Those aren't my words.
In response to YOUR " The r hand pulls up not back ".
Notice " NOT back ".
Yer a troublemaker.I just proved it.
One certainly doesn't pull up and back with their right foot.

Yer a troublemaker.A Contrarian.My proof.
Pg. 12 { owners manuel } " pull up and back ".
Those aren't my words.
In response to YOUR " The r hand pulls up not back ".
Notice " NOT back ".
Yer a troublemaker.I just proved it.
One certainly doesn't pull up and back with their right foot.
I have been trying to help in good faith (this time) and all you do is insist on being a dick so I will not respond again to your nonsense. I give up. BTW, when you pull up the bike moves rearward by itself so if they think of it as pulling back., that's ok.

Yer a troublemaker.A Contrarian.My proof.
Pg. 12 { owners manuel } " pull up and back ".
Those aren't my words.
In response to YOUR " The r hand pulls up not back ".
Notice " NOT back ".
Yer a troublemaker.I just proved it.
One certainly doesn't pull up and back with their right foot.
I have been trying to help in good faith (this time) and all you do is insist on being a dick so I will not respond again to your nonsense. I give up. BTW, when you pull up the bike moves rearward by itself so if they think of it as pulling back., that's ok.
No yer a Contrarian { a troublemaker } who enjoys
hounding those you don't like while praising those you do.
Fairly obvious and very Unamerican. I doubt you'll even
be given a warning for calling me a " dick " and " anyone with
a brain ".Which actually is proof of another sort.
That this place is basically all about sucking-up to each other
and then complaining to the Mods over really petty stuff.
I guess now I'll be given another lecture by the owner of this site
that If I don't like it here than why stay.
How come the Owner of this site always sides with those
he Likes or feels have a more important POV.
Pure adulterated Bias.
This place reeks of Bias.I thought Harley types were a pain.
I'm here to talk motorcycles and specifically the CB 1100.
Both pro & con.Not play petty intraForum politics.

[thumper_imp]

Foolardi--We're trying to help you dude.

I really wish you lived near my neck of the city so we could do this trick together. I'd make you a "Centerstand Master" in about 5 minutes...and two beers. :-)

Regardless of what the manual says, your right hand will not move in relation to your body positioning. The motorcycle will come "up and back" due to the lever action of the centerstand and the rotation it goes through. But your right hand will maintain a lifting motion straight up, everything moves to the right as a result of that action. So your right hand and the motorcycle will move to the right away from you. You won't be physically pushing to the right with your right hand. By the time that's occurring, the bike is on the stand, and everything is coming to a stop.

I wish you luck on mastering the technique.

[the Ferret]

Ok fellas lets take a deep breath, count to 10 and come back with more civility. Thank you..

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I'm with Meowguy. I leave the sidestand down as an out in case something goes wrong (though it never has). I could see something happening, like my foot slipping off the centerstand arm during the lift. if the sidestand is down at least I have a chance by pulling the bike toward me.

I've always been a belt and suspenders kind of guy

Why doesn't the CB 1100 Manual suggest that operation.?
To put the sidestand down and then lift the centerstand.
Probably because it doesn't work.In fact,it really makes
the entire operation near impossible.
Like what I said originally.

I don't know what method you're using, but something doesn't sound right. I've never had a sidestand become an issue when putting a bike on its' centerstand. Like Ferret said, the ST1300 is probably the "hardest" bike to put on a centerstand, even though I owned a GL1800 for 9 years. All of my bikes get parked on their centerstands when put in the garage (race stand for the bikes that lack a centerstand.)

From your earlier description, it sounds like you're using too much emphasis on the right hand and left hand. Like I said, I've put a 900 lb Goldwing on its stand hundreds of times, and the same amount for my 730lb ST1300. The CB1100 and VFR1200F are relatively easy compared to the previously mentioned "Big Un's."

I put most of my emphasis on forcefully pushing straight down with my right foot, some lifting effort on pulling upward with the right hand, and merely guiding the handlebar with the left hand, only ensuring the handlebar doesn't turn during the lift process.

I don't know what method you're using, but something doesn't sound right. I've never had a sidestand become an issue when putting a bike on its' centerstand. Like Ferret said, the ST1300 is probably the "hardest" bike to put on a centerstand, even though I owned a GL1800 for 9 years. All of my bikes get parked on their centerstands when put in the garage (race stand for the bikes that lack a centerstand.)

From your earlier description, it sounds like you're using too much emphasis on the right hand and left hand. Like I said, I've put a 900 lb Goldwing on its stand hundreds of times, and the same amount for my 730lb ST1300. The CB1100 and VFR1200F are relatively easy compared to the previously mentioned "Big Un's."

I put most of my emphasis on forcefully pushing straight down with my right foot, some lifting effort on pulling upward with the right hand, and merely guiding the handlebar with the left hand, only ensuring the handlebar doesn't turn during the lift process.
All I know is I couldn't even come close with the sidestand down.
And I hurt my back.The CB does have a spring loaded sidestand.
The only Bike I've owned that does.
Still doesn't explain why the manual { for all those who go strictly
by the manuel } says nothing about making sure and putting the
sidestand down before using the centerstand.
I know all model motorcycles have a spring attached to the sidestand.
But that doesn't make them spring loaded { automatically springs into place }.

Umm I do not mean to be a trouble maker here but you say this is the first bike that you owned that has a spring loaded side stand?! OMG seriously?! They are ALL spring loaded that is why they all have springs. Whether they snap up or not is depending on the spring and all the bikes I ever rode they snapped up. The cruisers are slightly different but I bet they spring up also but you just don't notice it as you don't look for it as the side stand weighs about 40 pounds alone.

Side note, I have never put the bike or any bike with a center stand to include scooters of varying sizes, on its center stand with the side stand down. I either get off of the bike holding it and then put it on the center stand or I put the side stand up first.

But to each their own. We all have our ways of doing things. If we get hurt doing it we must be doing it wrong in some way. Our bikes and those heavier ones if they have a side stand they are meant to be able to be put on it by any size rider, why else would they be there?!

Umm I do not mean to be a trouble maker here but you say this is the first bike that you owned that has a spring loaded side stand?! OMG seriously?! They are ALL spring loaded that is why they all have springs. Whether they snap up or not is depending on the spring and all the bikes I ever rode they snapped up. The cruisers are slightly different but I bet they spring up also but you just don't notice it as you don't look for it as the side stand weighs about 40 pounds alone.

Side note, I have never put the bike or any bike with a center stand to include scooters of varying sizes, on its center stand with the side stand down. I either get off of the bike holding it and then put it on the center stand or I put the side stand up first.

But to each their own. We all have our ways of doing things. If we get hurt doing it we must be doing it wrong in some way. Our bikes and those heavier ones if they have a side stand they are meant to be able to be put on it by any size rider, why else would they be there?!
I meant Auto-Retract sidestand.I said that all motorcycle
models have springs attached to the sidestand.
I never had a motorcycle whose sidestand sprung out like this one.
It is very noticeable for a guy who never had a bike with one.