ABS: Good, or Bad?

[VTR1000F_imp]

I was fine on non ABS on my VTR, I´m fine with ABS on my CB, I´m perfectly fine with rear brake only belt type brake on 1928 Indian Prince. I just work with what I have and have no preference :-) I think the C-ABS on a CB helps a lot with front end diving and that is a plus.

[Guth_imp]

I'll preface this by noting that I don't have ABS on my CB...

John McGuinness has gone on record saying that nobody is better than ABS. That's really saying something given his level of talent. And while I don't know if they are using ABS on the TT bikes he rides, ABS is featured on the endurance racing bikes he uses.


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[Gumby 1100_imp]

The Poll includes "Linked ABS" which I prefer and which I was hoping that my 2014 Canadian model included, but there have been some posts lately stating that the 2014 ABS is no longer linked.

The Canadian Honda website still states "linked" and later states "combined" ABS. The U.S. Honda site states "combined" ABS.

How do you determine if the ABS is linked?
Would it not need special valving and brake lines to the front calipers?

[Captain Klutz_imp]

On Pterodactyl's recommendation, the brakes needed an oil-preference type thread.

So in your opinion and experience, do you prefer or loathe ABS brakes? Options for linked and unlinked ABS included in the poll. Be sure to include your reasoning!
Voting non-ABS; I like being in control! Especially as a newer rider, I'd rather have non-ABS brakes for the same reason I don't want a fancy dual clutch semi auto transmission; when I decided I wanted to ride, I wanted to be able to ride anything, and not rely on it having some fancy tech to make things "easier"

ABS is good, it's a no-brainer. How hard is it for the average rider or even the expert to NOT lock the front wheel on WET asphalt?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDvkr8e6EVM
'nuff said.

The CB1100EX is my first bike with (non-combined) ABS. I hope I'll never need it. It's presence gives me a warm fuzzy feeling having made a possibly life-saving investment.

[AzBob_imp]

Ugh.

On dry pavement, the non-ABS bike has the potential to come to a stop faster than an ABS-equipped bike. On wet, it doesn't matter who you are, ABS is _way_ better because it can pulse the master cylinder faster than your feeble meatsack brain can send the pulses to your fingers -- that's just fact.

Unless your last name is Marquez, it's unlikely you can out-perform an ABS-equipped bike on dry, clean pavement, either. Add to that the fact that most pavement is either not dry or not clean most of the time, and you have a situation in which your average rider (that is to say, 99% of all riders) would perform better with ABS.

My bike is non-ABS as I wanted it when I wanted it and an ABS-equipped bike wasn't available, otherwise I would have purchased one with it. My next bike is going to have both ABS and traction control.

[CIP57_imp]

We saw one of our member get into trouble with an ABS bike when a car was going to enter his path. That was dry pavement in the daylight. He did stop, but with his front end compressed he was enable to make any corrections.

Lets just use an example:

Wet pavement and a car pulls out in front of you, you have ABS but the pulsating of the brakes does not allow you to stop in time, how do you change direction?? You don't

Non abs you feather the front and hard on the rear// your not going to stop on time, you have options. Lock up the rear and change direction hoping you don't high side, or just lock it up and low side and let the bike go out from under you. I'm sure a lot of member here have rode dirt, this is a common practice.

There's no doubt a new or inexperienced rider would be better off with ABS.

Edit: LOL I can remember when we where kids on our dirt bikes doing this all the time but with age I'm not sure how well this would turn out. I would like to think it would be instinct but I'm not sure.

[Houtman_imp]

My 2013 CB1100 was the first bike I have with ABS and I wanted that .
For many years you could hardly lock up the front brakes because they were not all that good.
I rode CBX ,s for 25 years and the brakes on the early models combined with the weight of the bike made it nearly impossible to lock up the brakes.
These days the brakes are so good that you can lock them up with one or two fingers.
In perfect conditions I am certain that non abs is fine, but what about a panic stop?
We all will have them sometimes and you will be glad of abs.
Keep also in mind that all of us are getting older and reflexes are slowing down.
Some years ago I was on my RC 51, did not look ahead for a second, a car had stopped suddenly in front of me and I slammed on the brakes and locked them on, falling off.
$500 in parts and a bruised leg made me aware that if I had abs it would not have happened.
Perhaps the non abs riders do never make a mistake or will never have a panic stop but I know my limitations even after riding bikes for 45 years.
My 2014 Cb1100 will have abs !!!

[Ridem32_imp]

I'm with CIP57. I hope I never have to but if I had a chance to lay bike on side and let it slide rather than hitting a car I had rather lay her over and slide. But with ABS I don't have that option ! I think ABS is great for novice riders it would help them lots! Look a nascar they try to make those cars safer each year and have done a great job. But you don't see ABS on their cars because they have to be able to hit brakes at 200 mph and try to avoid a wreck with ABS they would all crash and burn. Watch the good drivers lock up brakes slide around then gas it again to avoid a wreck. That's just good driving! Add ABS to their cars and it would take all their driving skills away!! Most of them would not even drive nascar any more because of the danger ABS would cause them on a track.

[Houtman_imp]

Are we riding on the roads with other idiots or are we racing on a track ,all going in the same direction.
You CAN NOT compare tracks with roads.

[Ridem32_imp]

I'm just comparing controlling the motorcycle if you have to. I did race moto x for years and laid down bike several times to avoid crashing while bike was still up right! None if us want to wreck but if you had the option to hit a deer with bike up rite or laying bike on side and sliding and hitting deer which would you prefer? Sure you could die both ways. But I'm just saying the way I ride I want to be in full control of my bike and using the brakes the way I see fit! Like I said before anyone with a 14 deluxe hit your rear brake at 60 and see what happens you will be shocked how the petal clicks and starts slowing down. Slowing down don't mean stop. And it takes away from any laying bike on its side and sliding. This is a better thread than oil. . But again a great forum as lots of us ride different not saying I ride the best of correct way. To be honest a bike with power you can accelerate out of a lot of accidents rather than using brakes. I have seen many many new riders hit the front brake turning and panic and lock up front tire and wreck or do the same in loose gravel etc so as for that ABS all the way ! I also stated that for my wife and kids I had rather see them on a ABS mode bike. Just not ABS for me if that makes any sense at all