A fuel thread

[Cormanus]

Although I feel a bit of a fraud posting in the Mechanical and Technical section of the forum, I'm avoiding something I don't want to do. We also haven't had an oil thread for a bit and tyres seem overdone lately, so we need something to go on about.

So [url=http://motorbikewriter.com/ethanol-suitable-motorcycles/?utm_source=eNewsletter&utm_campaign=814bac95cc-Newsletter_05_08_14&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_56c494aeb6-814bac95cc-181353029&ct=t(Newsletter_05_08_14)]here's a link to an article to get the fuel experts going.

[TINK_imp]

For those in CA here are the facts from THE MAN > http://www.arb.ca.gov/fuels/gasoline/faq.htm

Is ethanol good? Bad? if you're in CA you really don't have a choice.

[ChipBeck_imp]

Gentlemen,

This Forum has already discussed this in some detail but for the new arrivals here's one dealers take on it (mine, I'm a Chevron dealer in AZ and one of the largest independent retailers of E-85 in Arizona). Ethanol sucks in every way but octane. It's corrosive, it delivers 30% less mileage than gasoline so a mixture of 90% gas/10% ethanol gets 3% poorer mileage. It produces more CO2 than gas. Produces more total emissions. Soaks up water like a sponge. Must be trucked because it can't be pipelined unless it's mixed with at least 80% gasoline. And it wastes farmland, fertilizer, and diesel in it's production.

It does not reduce our dependence on foreign oil but it does drive up food prices. Farmers and farm belt congressmen love forcing all drivers to buy their worthless and destructive swill. Cab drivers at the Phoenix airport are required to use E-85 by law!! The cab drivers hate it but have no choice so I sell it. What a joke.

Chip

[redbirds_imp]

Gentlemen,

This Forum has already discussed this in some detail but for the new arrivals here's one dealers take on it (mine, I'm a Chevron dealer in AZ and one of the largest independent retailers of E-85 in Arizona). Ethanol sucks in every way but octane. It's corrosive, it delivers 30% less mileage than gasoline so a mixture of 90% gas/10% ethanol gets 3% poorer mileage. It produces more CO2 than gas. Produces more total emissions. Soaks up water like a sponge. Must be trucked because it can't be pipelined unless it's mixed with at least 80% gasoline. And it wastes farmland, fertilizer, and diesel in it's production.

It does not reduce our dependence on foreign oil but it does drive up food prices. Farmers and farm belt congressmen love forcing all drivers to buy their worthless and destructive swill. Cab drivers at the Phoenix airport are required to use E-85 by law!! The cab drivers hate it but have no choice so I sell it. What a joke.

Chip

+1 and AMEN!

Nothing but an expensive scam, politically powerful agri-business in cahoots with government. Ethanol is especially bad on small carbureted motors. My Honda powered riding mower had carburetor problems every mowing season until I started adding Sea Foam to the fuel. I now have a local source of non-ethanol fuel which put an end to the problem.

[Houtman_imp]

I have been in farming all my life but the ethanol is a complete disaster in my opinion .It does not safes us anything but created big problems.

[The Spaceman_imp]

Gentlemen,

This Forum has already discussed this in some detail but for the new arrivals here's one dealers take on it (mine, I'm a Chevron dealer in AZ and one of the largest independent retailers of E-85 in Arizona). Ethanol sucks in every way but octane. It's corrosive, it delivers 30% less mileage than gasoline so a mixture of 90% gas/10% ethanol gets 3% poorer mileage. It produces more CO2 than gas. Produces more total emissions. Soaks up water like a sponge. Must be trucked because it can't be pipelined unless it's mixed with at least 80% gasoline. And it wastes farmland, fertilizer, and diesel in it's production.

It does not reduce our dependence on foreign oil but it does drive up food prices. Farmers and farm belt congressmen love forcing all drivers to buy their worthless and destructive swill. Cab drivers at the Phoenix airport are required to use E-85 by law!! The cab drivers hate it but have no choice so I sell it. What a joke.

Chip

+1 and AMEN!

Nothing but an expensive scam, politically powerful agri-business in cahoots with government. Ethanol is especially bad on small carbureted motors. My Honda powered riding mower had carburetor problems every mowing season until I started adding Sea Foam to the fuel. I now have a local source of non-ethanol fuel which put an end to the problem.

+1 and AMEN!

Nothing but an expensive scam, politically powerful agri-business in cahoots with government. Ethanol is especially bad on small carbureted motors. My Honda powered riding mower had carburetor problems every mowing season until I started adding Sea Foam to the fuel. I now have a local source of non-ethanol fuel which put an end to the problem.

"Americans are crazy about ethanol". It says so...right there.

[Elipten_imp]

Yes worst thing ever, thank Archer Midland Daniels and the Clinton presidency

[the Ferret]

It is what it is. Honda says it's ok to run up to 10% ethanol in the owners manual. I pull into a station, put 87 octane in until it shows in the neck, then ride on without another moments thought. Not going to waste my life on something I can do so little about. I do run Seafoam from mid November until March, but that is mainly for any unforseen storage periods that may come up, but I generally ride in all 12 months so the most my bike would sit would be 58 days. I've not had any problems with my cars, motorcycles, lawn mowers, weed eaters or leaf blowers in 10 or 15 years.

We only have a few E85 stations here and you would have to seek one out to find it, but 10% ethanol seems to be the norm.

[Mike Bee_imp]

I bought a Cub Cadet lawn mower last summer. It came with a packet of Stabil ethanol treatment. The packet and the dealer said "use with every fill up."

The only thing Chip didn't mention, is we get to pay extra for this ethanol slop (thank you very much)! Much of this has to do with political pandering to the farm lobby, i.e. getting the votes. I'm glad my CB1100 is so fuel efficient.

~ The Bee

[CBXBob_imp]

Agreeded except for the LIBERALS rant.Greedy big business owning the Senate and enough of the House is too blame.