08-19-2015, 04:10 AM
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Making these bikes fast
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08-19-2015, 10:09 PM
I find it really funny how people call this a slow bike, or a more relaxed ride. A geezer bike? Oh my god, maybe for some but not others. The CB1100 is a throwback to the CB750 of the 70's, which was the first bike ever dubbed a "superbike".
I'll be honest, I like ride my CB1100 for all its worth. Hard pulls, redline shifts, dropping gears just because it sounds amazing. I've been riding for a decade, and the CB1100's acceleration still scares me on occasion. I came from a GS500 and heck I'd make that thing go too, bit it never had the same twist-and-go at any RPM. Maybe people's perspective changes since there are so many faster bikes out there, but when I'm riding, I think back to how to my dad, this was a superbike then, and to me, it still is now.
08-20-2015, 08:54 AM
90% rider, 10% bike IMO.
08-20-2015, 09:54 AM
(08-19-2015, 10:09 PM)skimhitz_imp Wrote: I find it really funny how people call this a slow bike, or a more relaxed ride. A geezer bike? Oh my god, maybe for some but not others. The CB1100 is a throwback to the CB750 of the 70's, which was the first bike ever dubbed a "superbike". Couldn't agree more. With the exception of competing at the track, it's hard to imagine ever needing more bike than this. At least for me. And I ain't heading to the track anytime soon, so there ya go. - Karl
08-24-2015, 11:14 PM
(08-20-2015, 08:54 AM)Motogeezer1949_imp Wrote: 90% rider, 10% bike IMO. Yep! Whether it be on a twisty road or a track day, I wonder how many testosterone filled young men have been humbled over the years by some graying, 50+ year old guy wearing faded leathers on a SV650 or a EX500 with a measley 60 HP.
08-24-2015, 11:41 PM
Humbled? Maybe not too many. Embarrassed? Probably quite a few! It happened to me more than once when I was younger.
08-28-2015, 12:33 AM
The great thing about the SVs is not only do they handle but you can be somewhat ham-fisted with them exiting corners. Those bikes are really well sorted. I chased those on my 1000 day in and day out. I could better them at a track like Texas World but at a small venue like Hallett or Cresson, watch out.
08-28-2015, 06:06 AM
(08-19-2015, 10:09 PM)skimhitz_imp Wrote: I find it really funny how people call this a slow bike, or a more relaxed ride. A geezer bike? Oh my god, maybe for some but not others. The CB1100 is a throwback to the CB750 of the 70's, which was the first bike ever dubbed a "superbike". When my W800 was in service for guarantee sometime ago, the dealer gave my a Kawa 1000SX as a substitute. All the time I wondered, what should I do with its power. Still overpowering the 145HP after I tried some of them out, so overpowering, that I decided not to wring it out. When I got my W back it feels so much more comfortable in every aspect of motorcycling. The CB is something in between and I mostly even don't use all the power this bike provides. Still enough and fast enough...somehow more than I need but still fond of having the strength. Wisedrum
08-28-2015, 05:48 PM
Someone far up, had it right. This is a geezer glide.
It's in its element when it's ridden easy. Balanced; quiet, smooth, for the most part. Sure, it'll get up and go...like a 60s Coupe de Ville. But neither is to be drag-raced. I have done 110 mph on two wheels - once. An empty highway in South Dakota. I'm glad I did and I don't think I'll do it again - things come up WAY too fast. With the windshield on, I find 85 to be a nice cruising speed. Fast enough to cover ground; slow enough not to excite LE too much. Good fuel economy, even at that speed - my trip through Oregon had me at 54 mpg. No...that's the kind of riding this bike was made for, and is perfect for. Those looking for a crotch-rocket would best shop elsewhere - or else, wait for a wrecked or blown-up CB11 to do an engine swap. (08-19-2015, 10:09 PM)skimhitz_imp Wrote: I find it really funny how people call this a slow bike, or a more relaxed ride. A geezer bike? Oh my god, maybe for some but not others. The CB1100 is a throwback to the CB750 of the 70's, which was the first bike ever dubbed a "superbike". Hmmm. IIRC (I never owned one) the 750 was MUCH more a revver. It had maybe a little more power, in an era where a 500 was a touring bike and 50hp was potent. A lot of guys my age (late 50s) had those. This is a chance for them to re-live the experience...but, the way older guys re-live those hot cars. Sedately. Or, more sedately, anyway. The fat torque curve, I'm sure, isn't accidental. In my old age, I find gear-shifting constantly a bit of a pain. So, I can get it up; and any speed over 50 is good on 6th. Anything over 40 up to the limit, good on 5th. So...yeah. It's a recreation of the CB750...for EXACTLY the same owners, allowing for how age has mellowed us.
08-28-2015, 07:28 PM
(08-28-2015, 05:48 PM)JustPassinThru_imp Wrote: Someone far up, had it right. This is a geezer glide. I'll have to disagree with you on that. Here are the specs on the 750 over the years: Quote:Specifications 1969 CB750 Four: 736 cc (44.9 cu in) 4 carburetors SOHC 2 67 bhp (50 kW) @ 8000 rpm 59.8 N·m (44.1 lbf·ft) @ 7000 rpm 218 kg (481 lb) (dry) 5-Speed, Constant Mesh, Gearbox, Final Drive Chain 1976–1978 CB750A: 736 cc (44.9 cu in) 4 carburetors SOHC 2 35 kW (47 hp) @ 7500 rpm 5.0 kg-m (36.1 lbf·ft) @ 6000 rpm 262 kg (578 lb) (claimed dry) 259 kg (572 lb) (wet) 2-speed w/torque converter, chain 1978 CB750K: 748 cc (45.6 cu in) 4 carburetors DOHC 4 59 kW (79 hp) @ 9000 rpm 5.9 kg-m (42.7 lbf·ft) @ 7000 rpm 231 kg (509 lb) (dry) 5-Speed, Constant Mesh, Gearbox, Final Drive Chain 1979–1980 CB750F (RC04): 748 cc (45.6 cu in) 4 carburetors DOHC4 59 kW (79 hp) @ 9000 rpm 5.9 kg-m (42.7 lb) @ 8000 rpm 228 kg (503 lb) Dry 5-Speed, Constant Mesh, Gearbox, Final Drive Chain 1980–1982 CB750C Custom: 748 cc (45.6 cu in) 4 carburetors DOHC 4 59 kW (79 hp) @ 9000 rpm 5.9 kg-m (42.7 lbf·ft) @ 7000 rpm 236 kg (520 lb) dry ~252 kg (556 lb) wet 5-Speed, Constant Mesh, Gearbox, Final Drive Chain 1981 CB750F: 748 cc (45.6 cu in) 4 carburetors DOHC 4 59 kW (79 hp) 5.9 kg-m (42.7 lbf·ft) @ 7000 rpm 243 kg (536 lb) Chain 1982–1983 CB750SC (Nighthawk): 749 cc (45.7 cu in) 4 carburetors DOHC 4 49.64 kW (66.57 hp) @ 9000 rpm 41.54 lbf·ft (56.32 N·m) @ 7500 rpm 260.1 kg (573.5 lb) wet 5-Speed, Chain See also Honda CB700SC 1991–1993, 1995–2003 CB750 (Nighthawk): 747 cc (45.6 cu in) 4 Keihin 34 mm Constant Vacuum carburetors DOHC 4 56 kW (75 hp) @ 8500 rpm 64 N·m (47 lbf·ft) @ 7500 rpm 210 kg (463 lb)[citation needed] Chain 2007 CB750 : 747 cc (45.6 cu in) VENAC[clarification needed] DOHC 4 55 kW (74 hp) @ 8500 rpm 64 N·m (47 lbf·ft) @ 7500 rpm 240 kg (520 lb) Chain That means the three 1993 750 Nighthawks that I have owned were right on par with all of their predecessors as far as power goes and I know this bike is a tad quicker. 2013 CB1100: 1140cc (69.5 cu-in) GM-FI electronic fuel injection Throttle Bore 32mm DOHC4 66 kW (88.5 hp) @ 7500 rpm 93 Nm (68.5 lb/ft) @ 5000 rpm 247 kg (544 lbs) wet Chain So this bike is listed at about 13 more HP and about 20 more lb-ft of torque over the 750 at roughly the same weight. This is quicker no matter how you slice it. Just some food for thought. |
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