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I changed my oil and filter at 400 miles. Why you ask? Because I do not like to let the orig oil run any longer than that in any new engine. I know that the metal that wears off everything while breaking in flows around with the oil, so I get it out. I do not want to talk about anything I have said up to this point!
I changed my oil and filter at 400 miles. I have seen this before and always wonder what it is I am really looking at. The old oil seems to have a slight metallic sheen to it. It even seems to be made up of two dissimilar fluids that really do not like to mix in the drain pan. Some of it likes to float like froth on beer. (You know it is just beer but it is lighter in color and wants to just sit on top.) As I swirl the pan it does not want to mix together easily. What as I looking at? Is the slight metallic sheen on the first old change normal? The metal does not settle out when it sits. I think it is light metal like aluminum.
For those of you that want to know... I used Honda 10w30, and noticed no change in anything. I do not want to talk about that either.
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(06-13-2016, 10:10 AM)quail_imp Wrote: I changed my oil and filter at 400 miles. Why you ask? Because I do not like to let the orig oil run any longer than that in any new engine. I know that the metal that wears off everything while breaking in flows around with the oil, so I get it out. I do not want to talk about anything I have said up to this point!
I changed my oil and filter at 400 miles. I have seen this before and always wonder what it is I am really looking at. The old oil seems to have a slight metallic sheen to it. It even seems to be made up of two dissimilar fluids that really do not like to mix in the drain pan. Some of it likes to float like froth on beer. (You know it is just beer but it is lighter in color and wants to just sit on top.) As I swirl the pan it does not want to mix together easily. What as I looking at? Is the slight metallic sheen on the first old change normal? The metal does not settle out when it sits. I think it is light metal like aluminum.
For those of you that want to know... I used Honda 10w30, and noticed no change in anything. I do not want to talk about that either.
Mate, I can add little by way of an informative response; but I have to hand it to you. Adroit cast, with an elegant flick of the wrist, landing the fly inches from the fish's nose. I've made myself a cup of tea and pulled up a chair to see how you get on.
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If you want to know exactly what is in the oil, you have to send off a sample and get an oil analysis. If you start when the engine is new, you can get a baseline to compare to future samples.
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The metal glow could actually be metal. I've seen this before. I wouldn't really worry about it -- run a magnet through it if you want to see if it's ferrous or not... You may also want to cut the old filter apart to make sure there isn't metal left in the filter media.
I doubt it's a problem. As mentioned about you can also shell out $20 or so for used oil analysis if you want to make sure.
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Seems that if you change the oil to remove all the metal partials left over from break-in, you shouldn't be too surprised to see metal partials in the oil, no? The second liquid you see might well be a bit of moisture. Anyhow, that's my totally uneducated guess 
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(06-13-2016, 10:54 AM)Inhouse Bob_imp Wrote: Seems that if you change the oil to remove all the metal partials left over from break-in, you shouldn't be too surprised to see metal partials in the oil, no? The second liquid you see might well be a bit of moisture. Anyhow, that's my totally uneducated guess
I was not surprised to see the partials, just wondering if I am seeing what I think I am and has others noticed this same thing. The one thing I did not mention was, I let the bike sit for 24 hours before I pulled the plug. That would explain why they were not mixed when they hit the pan. I always have a hard time believing moisture can exist very long in an engine running 200 -250 degrees. You would think it would gas out.
(06-13-2016, 10:45 AM)kmoney_imp Wrote: The metal glow could actually be metal. I've seen this before. I wouldn't really worry about it -- run a magnet through it if you want to see if it's ferrous or not... You may also want to cut the old filter apart to make sure there isn't metal left in the filter media.
I doubt it's a problem. As mentioned about you can also shell out $20 or so for used oil analysis if you want to make sure.
All of these ideas are good. The fact I tossed the filter in a fire and dumped the oil in my waste oil drum makes me sad. 
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Actually any particuls left from the break-in, large enough to cause any premature wear, should be picked up by the filter. Unless there is so much that the filter clogs, and goes into bypass, there is nothing to be concerned with. I am pretty sure every engine is run and drained, at least once, before shipping so there is little chance of a high metal partical content on a well built engine.
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Metal particles in your oil? I gotta see this
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(06-13-2016, 01:00 PM)Retsel_imp Wrote: Actually any particuls left from the break-in, large enough to cause any premature wear, should be picked up by the filter. Unless there is so much that the filter clogs, and goes into bypass, there is nothing to be concerned with. I am pretty sure every engine is run and drained, at least once, before shipping so there is little chance of a high metal partical content on a well built engine.
Sent from my SM-T710 using Tapatalk Yep; I've seen that sheen and metal particles in every new bike I've owned. Just changed the oil in my track bike after only 400 track miles, it was deep gray, from clutch material and heavy use. Tiny shards of metal on the drain plug magnet.
All perfectly normal and usual.
Ride with confidence, all is well.
Addendum, I always change my oil after the bike has cooled completely. Stuff does separate out a bit. Ensures the pan has collected all the oil from the top end, keeps me from burning my fingers. Takes a bit longer to drain but who's in a hurry?
Anyone else fill the filter before installing it?
Oh yeah, 10W-30 is great, what Honda recommends. Temps get to >90 F then 10W-40 is no problem, manual shows this. I run that, it's really hot here much of the time. Still works in cold temps, too.
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(06-13-2016, 01:08 PM)Ulvetanna_imp Wrote: (06-13-2016, 01:00 PM)Retsel_imp Wrote: Actually any particuls left from the break-in, large enough to cause any premature wear, should be picked up by the filter. Unless there is so much that the filter clogs, and goes into bypass, there is nothing to be concerned with. I am pretty sure every engine is run and drained, at least once, before shipping so there is little chance of a high metal partical content on a well built engine.
Sent from my SM-T710 using Tapatalk Yep; I've seen that sheen and metal particles in every new bike I've owned. Just changed the oil in my track bike after only 400 track miles, it was deep gray, from clutch material and heavy use. Tiny shards of metal on the drain plug magnet.
All perfectly normal and usual.
Ride with confidence, all is well.
Addendum, I always change my oil after the bike has cooled completely. Stuff does separate out a bit. Ensures the pan has collected all the oil from the top end, keeps me from burning my fingers. Takes a bit longer to drain but who's in a hurry?
Anyone else fill the filter before installing it?
Oh yeah, 10W-30 is great, what Honda recommends. Temps get to >90 F then 10W-40 is no problem, manual shows this. I run that, it's really hot here much of the time. Still works in cold temps, too. Yep; I've seen that sheen and metal particles in every new bike I've owned. Just changed the oil in my track bike after only 400 track miles, it was deep gray, from clutch material and heavy use. Tiny shards of metal on the drain plug magnet.
All perfectly normal and usual
Ride with confidence, all is well.
Addendum, I always change my oil after the bike has cooled completely. Stuff does separate out a bit. Ensures the pan has collected all the oil from the top end, keeps me from burning my fingers. Takes a bit longer to drain but who's in a hurry?
Anyone else fill the filter before installing it?
Oh yeah, 10W-30 is great, what Honda recommends. Temps get to >90 F then 10W-40 is no problem, manual shows this. I run that, it's really hot here much of the time. Still works in cold temps, too.
I never considered the clutch material and clutch plates. Nice to hear from someone that has seen the same thing. I always fill filters, why not, can't hurt and could help.
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