Solution to the "heavy" problem?

[Stichill_imp]

That is so cool. Trike riders will now have a two wheel option.

And I want this as an option on an upcoming CB so my bike can follow me around like a dog.

That's the first thing I thought of as well! It's awesome.

[4 Paws_imp]

Amazing engineering.

Wonder how long before Harley comes out with their version of a low speed assist option.

[the Ferret]

They won't even have to take their feet off the highway pegs lol

[AzBob_imp]

Wonder if that means you'll be able to set the speed, lean back and pour a coffee?

Apparently it's not quite that good—see [url=http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/honda/honda-riding-assist-technology-lets-motorcycles-balance-themselves.html]here.

I don't follow... the MO article doesn't say anything that I could find that says anything other than what the video shows.

Received a lukewarm response from some in the press..........fearing the self driving car.

When, in the near future, will it be illegal to manually operate a motor vehicle?

My prediction? California will be the first.

We live in a golden age of sorts.

I can't wait for robot cars. I'm SO tired of having to sit like the disinterested uncle watching his nephews blow themselves up on the fourth of July.

People can't drive. I realized this morning on the way to work that it all started with the general availability and use of the automatic transmission. With a manual transmission (which two of my four automobiles possess, and what I was driving this morning), you have to anticipate other driver's actions because you need to be in an appropriate gear to do something about it, so you're actually paying attention or else you go nowhere. With an automatic transmission, you just go to sleep and press the gas pedal harder when you need to, usually well after realizing something bad happened (if you happen to realize at all). Then add in cell phones, automatic cruise control, automatic braking/collision avoidance, lane departure warnings and lane-keep assists, etc., we're actually in a more dangerous situation now until we get to fully-autonomous vehicles because people are paying less and less attention while the driving experience still requires frequent human input.

I was in a training class at the office about there being four generations in the workplace today. Each generation went to breakout groups and recorded their impressions of the most significant events in their lifetime (political, cultural, technological, etc.).

The Baby Boom group said that one milestone was the mainstream adoption of power steering, power brakes, and the automatic transmission allowing far more women to drive.

You should have heard the howls of indignation from the Gen X and Millennial women! They protested that many of them know how to drive a manual transmission car.

One old geezer (still working well past 65 for the benefits) calmly explained the difference between a Mazda Miata with a manual and a '52 Chevrolet with heavy manual steering, bias ply tires, manual drum brakes, and a slushy 3-speed manual with a heavy clutch pedal.

Actually, the advent of self driving cars was one of the things that gave me the feeling that I should get back on a bike while I still could. I haven't heard much complaining from the general public about preserving the right to drive. Ready for my old fart impersonation? When I was a kid driving was looked forward to with eager anticipation, rather than just a way to get from A to B. Seems like that is becoming outdated. Virtual reality is another gripe. Perfectly healthy people getting their thrills from watching rather than doing.
As long as it's not mandatory, I agree that some people should not be driving.
Sorry for the rant. I could use a decent ride in the country, but since it's going to rain for a week it will have to wait. Also sorry for veering off topic.

Ben

"Get off my lawn you darn kids!"

That's because, as you know, they have never driven a car without power steering, power brakes, nor other than a modern synchromesh manual transmission -- if they've indeed ever driven a manual. I'm not sure they'd be prepared for the physical exertion necessary to drive such a vehicle, especially the non-synchronized m/t.

Wonder if that means you'll be able to set the speed, lean back and pour a coffee?

Apparently it's not quite that good—see [url=http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/honda/honda-riding-assist-technology-lets-motorcycles-balance-themselves.html]here.

I don't follow... the MO article doesn't say anything that I could find that says anything other than what the video shows.

Received a lukewarm response from some in the press..........fearing the self driving car.

When, in the near future, will it be illegal to manually operate a motor vehicle?

My prediction? California will be the first.

We live in a golden age of sorts.

I can't wait for robot cars. I'm SO tired of having to sit like the disinterested uncle watching his nephews blow themselves up on the fourth of July.

People can't drive. I realized this morning on the way to work that it all started with the general availability and use of the automatic transmission. With a manual transmission (which two of my four automobiles possess, and what I was driving this morning), you have to anticipate other driver's actions because you need to be in an appropriate gear to do something about it, so you're actually paying attention or else you go nowhere. With an automatic transmission, you just go to sleep and press the gas pedal harder when you need to, usually well after realizing something bad happened (if you happen to realize at all). Then add in cell phones, automatic cruise control, automatic braking/collision avoidance, lane departure warnings and lane-keep assists, etc., we're actually in a more dangerous situation now until we get to fully-autonomous vehicles because people are paying less and less attention while the driving experience still requires frequent human input.

I don't follow... the MO article doesn't say anything that I could find that says anything other than what the video shows.
Sorry, Bob, probably not much to follow. It was a poor attempt at humour I saw the video before reading the article and was speculating.

Received a lukewarm response from some in the press..........fearing the self driving car.

When, in the near future, will it be illegal to manually operate a motor vehicle?

My prediction? California will be the first.

We live in a golden age of sorts.

I can't wait for robot cars. I'm SO tired of having to sit like the disinterested uncle watching his nephews blow themselves up on the fourth of July.

Make the most of your riding then, because the minute self-driving cars are viable, humans will be banned from driving. For ever.

Wonder if that means you'll be able to set the speed, lean back and pour a coffee?

Apparently it's not quite that good—see [url=http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/honda/honda-riding-assist-technology-lets-motorcycles-balance-themselves.html]here.

I don't follow... the MO article doesn't say anything that I could find that says anything other than what the video shows.

Received a lukewarm response from some in the press..........fearing the self driving car.

When, in the near future, will it be illegal to manually operate a motor vehicle?

My prediction? California will be the first.

We live in a golden age of sorts.

I can't wait for robot cars. I'm SO tired of having to sit like the disinterested uncle watching his nephews blow themselves up on the fourth of July.

People can't drive. I realized this morning on the way to work that it all started with the general availability and use of the automatic transmission. With a manual transmission (which two of my four automobiles possess, and what I was driving this morning), you have to anticipate other driver's actions because you need to be in an appropriate gear to do something about it, so you're actually paying attention or else you go nowhere. With an automatic transmission, you just go to sleep and press the gas pedal harder when you need to, usually well after realizing something bad happened (if you happen to realize at all). Then add in cell phones, automatic cruise control, automatic braking/collision avoidance, lane departure warnings and lane-keep assists, etc., we're actually in a more dangerous situation now until we get to fully-autonomous vehicles because people are paying less and less attention while the driving experience still requires frequent human input.

I was in a training class at the office about there being four generations in the workplace today. Each generation went to breakout groups and recorded their impressions of the most significant events in their lifetime (political, cultural, technological, etc.).

The Baby Boom group said that one milestone was the mainstream adoption of power steering, power brakes, and the automatic transmission allowing far more women to drive.

You should have heard the howls of indignation from the Gen X and Millennial women! They protested that many of them know how to drive a manual transmission car.

One old geezer (still working well past 65 for the benefits) calmly explained the difference between a Mazda Miata with a manual and a '52 Chevrolet with heavy manual steering, bias ply tires, manual drum brakes, and a slushy 3-speed manual with a heavy clutch pedal.

Actually, the advent of self driving cars was one of the things that gave me the feeling that I should get back on a bike while I still could. I haven't heard much complaining from the general public about preserving the right to drive. Ready for my old fart impersonation? When I was a kid driving was looked forward to with eager anticipation, rather than just a way to get from A to B. Seems like that is becoming outdated. Virtual reality is another gripe. Perfectly healthy people getting their thrills from watching rather than doing.
As long as it's not mandatory, I agree that some people should not be driving.
Sorry for the rant. I could use a decent ride in the country, but since it's going to rain for a week it will have to wait. Also sorry for veering off topic.

Ben

"Get off my lawn you darn kids!"

It's interesting that in the UK, for example, it is quite hard to find a rental car with automatic transmission. Most people continue to drive manuals. Sadly it is not so here in Australia where the American penchant for automatic transmission has prevailed. The experience of women in the UK and in Australia was, I suspect different, because most cars were smaller and not nearly so heavy as the monsters being pushed out of Detroit. The game changer for many women here was, I suspect, the ready availability of the automobile.

Anyway, back to AzBob's post: enjoy it all while you may. The driverless car will be the end of us.
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Make the most of your riding then, because the minute self-driving cars are viable, humans will be banned from driving. For ever.
I honestly don't think they'll ban human drivers, but I guess we'll see. Perhaps they'll create or classify high-speed corridors wherein the vehicle must be in robot-mode to enter (or the highway has a device that puts the vehicle into robot mode automatically upon entering and locks it there), but I doubt local driving will ever mandate robot control. My hope for this stems from the fact that I can still buy food that is obviously unhealthy. :-)

[Stichill_imp]

Wonder if that means you'll be able to set the speed, lean back and pour a coffee?

Apparently it's not quite that good—see [url=http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/honda/honda-riding-assist-technology-lets-motorcycles-balance-themselves.html]here.

I don't follow... the MO article doesn't say anything that I could find that says anything other than what the video shows.

Received a lukewarm response from some in the press..........fearing the self driving car.

When, in the near future, will it be illegal to manually operate a motor vehicle?

My prediction? California will be the first.

We live in a golden age of sorts.

I can't wait for robot cars. I'm SO tired of having to sit like the disinterested uncle watching his nephews blow themselves up on the fourth of July.

People can't drive. I realized this morning on the way to work that it all started with the general availability and use of the automatic transmission. With a manual transmission (which two of my four automobiles possess, and what I was driving this morning), you have to anticipate other driver's actions because you need to be in an appropriate gear to do something about it, so you're actually paying attention or else you go nowhere. With an automatic transmission, you just go to sleep and press the gas pedal harder when you need to, usually well after realizing something bad happened (if you happen to realize at all). Then add in cell phones, automatic cruise control, automatic braking/collision avoidance, lane departure warnings and lane-keep assists, etc., we're actually in a more dangerous situation now until we get to fully-autonomous vehicles because people are paying less and less attention while the driving experience still requires frequent human input.

I was in a training class at the office about there being four generations in the workplace today. Each generation went to breakout groups and recorded their impressions of the most significant events in their lifetime (political, cultural, technological, etc.).

The Baby Boom group said that one milestone was the mainstream adoption of power steering, power brakes, and the automatic transmission allowing far more women to drive.

You should have heard the howls of indignation from the Gen X and Millennial women! They protested that many of them know how to drive a manual transmission car.

One old geezer (still working well past 65 for the benefits) calmly explained the difference between a Mazda Miata with a manual and a '52 Chevrolet with heavy manual steering, bias ply tires, manual drum brakes, and a slushy 3-speed manual with a heavy clutch pedal.

Actually, the advent of self driving cars was one of the things that gave me the feeling that I should get back on a bike while I still could. I haven't heard much complaining from the general public about preserving the right to drive. Ready for my old fart impersonation? When I was a kid driving was looked forward to with eager anticipation, rather than just a way to get from A to B. Seems like that is becoming outdated. Virtual reality is another gripe. Perfectly healthy people getting their thrills from watching rather than doing.
As long as it's not mandatory, I agree that some people should not be driving.
Sorry for the rant. I could use a decent ride in the country, but since it's going to rain for a week it will have to wait. Also sorry for veering off topic.

Ben

"Get off my lawn you darn kids!"

That's because, as you know, they have never driven a car without power steering, power brakes, nor other than a modern synchromesh manual transmission -- if they've indeed ever driven a manual. I'm not sure they'd be prepared for the physical exertion necessary to drive such a vehicle, especially the non-synchronized m/t.

Wonder if that means you'll be able to set the speed, lean back and pour a coffee?

Apparently it's not quite that good—see [url=http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/honda/honda-riding-assist-technology-lets-motorcycles-balance-themselves.html]here.

I don't follow... the MO article doesn't say anything that I could find that says anything other than what the video shows.

Received a lukewarm response from some in the press..........fearing the self driving car.

When, in the near future, will it be illegal to manually operate a motor vehicle?

My prediction? California will be the first.

We live in a golden age of sorts.

I can't wait for robot cars. I'm SO tired of having to sit like the disinterested uncle watching his nephews blow themselves up on the fourth of July.

People can't drive. I realized this morning on the way to work that it all started with the general availability and use of the automatic transmission. With a manual transmission (which two of my four automobiles possess, and what I was driving this morning), you have to anticipate other driver's actions because you need to be in an appropriate gear to do something about it, so you're actually paying attention or else you go nowhere. With an automatic transmission, you just go to sleep and press the gas pedal harder when you need to, usually well after realizing something bad happened (if you happen to realize at all). Then add in cell phones, automatic cruise control, automatic braking/collision avoidance, lane departure warnings and lane-keep assists, etc., we're actually in a more dangerous situation now until we get to fully-autonomous vehicles because people are paying less and less attention while the driving experience still requires frequent human input.

I don't follow... the MO article doesn't say anything that I could find that says anything other than what the video shows.
Sorry, Bob, probably not much to follow. It was a poor attempt at humour I saw the video before reading the article and was speculating.

Received a lukewarm response from some in the press..........fearing the self driving car.

When, in the near future, will it be illegal to manually operate a motor vehicle?

My prediction? California will be the first.

We live in a golden age of sorts.

I can't wait for robot cars. I'm SO tired of having to sit like the disinterested uncle watching his nephews blow themselves up on the fourth of July.

Make the most of your riding then, because the minute self-driving cars are viable, humans will be banned from driving. For ever.

Wonder if that means you'll be able to set the speed, lean back and pour a coffee?

Apparently it's not quite that good—see [url=http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/honda/honda-riding-assist-technology-lets-motorcycles-balance-themselves.html]here.

I don't follow... the MO article doesn't say anything that I could find that says anything other than what the video shows.

Received a lukewarm response from some in the press..........fearing the self driving car.

When, in the near future, will it be illegal to manually operate a motor vehicle?

My prediction? California will be the first.

We live in a golden age of sorts.

I can't wait for robot cars. I'm SO tired of having to sit like the disinterested uncle watching his nephews blow themselves up on the fourth of July.

People can't drive. I realized this morning on the way to work that it all started with the general availability and use of the automatic transmission. With a manual transmission (which two of my four automobiles possess, and what I was driving this morning), you have to anticipate other driver's actions because you need to be in an appropriate gear to do something about it, so you're actually paying attention or else you go nowhere. With an automatic transmission, you just go to sleep and press the gas pedal harder when you need to, usually well after realizing something bad happened (if you happen to realize at all). Then add in cell phones, automatic cruise control, automatic braking/collision avoidance, lane departure warnings and lane-keep assists, etc., we're actually in a more dangerous situation now until we get to fully-autonomous vehicles because people are paying less and less attention while the driving experience still requires frequent human input.

I was in a training class at the office about there being four generations in the workplace today. Each generation went to breakout groups and recorded their impressions of the most significant events in their lifetime (political, cultural, technological, etc.).

The Baby Boom group said that one milestone was the mainstream adoption of power steering, power brakes, and the automatic transmission allowing far more women to drive.

You should have heard the howls of indignation from the Gen X and Millennial women! They protested that many of them know how to drive a manual transmission car.

One old geezer (still working well past 65 for the benefits) calmly explained the difference between a Mazda Miata with a manual and a '52 Chevrolet with heavy manual steering, bias ply tires, manual drum brakes, and a slushy 3-speed manual with a heavy clutch pedal.

Actually, the advent of self driving cars was one of the things that gave me the feeling that I should get back on a bike while I still could. I haven't heard much complaining from the general public about preserving the right to drive. Ready for my old fart impersonation? When I was a kid driving was looked forward to with eager anticipation, rather than just a way to get from A to B. Seems like that is becoming outdated. Virtual reality is another gripe. Perfectly healthy people getting their thrills from watching rather than doing.
As long as it's not mandatory, I agree that some people should not be driving.
Sorry for the rant. I could use a decent ride in the country, but since it's going to rain for a week it will have to wait. Also sorry for veering off topic.

Ben

"Get off my lawn you darn kids!"

It's interesting that in the UK, for example, it is quite hard to find a rental car with automatic transmission. Most people continue to drive manuals. Sadly it is not so here in Australia where the American penchant for automatic transmission has prevailed. The experience of women in the UK and in Australia was, I suspect different, because most cars were smaller and not nearly so heavy as the monsters being pushed out of Detroit. The game changer for many women here was, I suspect, the ready availability of the automobile.

Anyway, back to AzBob's post: enjoy it all while you may. The driverless car will be the end of us.

Make the most of your riding then, because the minute self-driving cars are viable, humans will be banned from driving. For ever.
I honestly don't think they'll ban human drivers, but I guess we'll see. Perhaps they'll create or classify high-speed corridors wherein the vehicle must be in robot-mode to enter (or the highway has a device that puts the vehicle into robot mode automatically upon entering and locks it there), but I doubt local driving will ever mandate robot control. My hope for this stems from the fact that I can still buy food that is obviously unhealthy. :-)
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Yeah. Not to mention the old king pin front suspensions, plus all kinds of tie rod end play.

[the Ferret]

and 23" diameter steering wheels

[Cormanus]

Wonder if that means you'll be able to set the speed, lean back and pour a coffee?

Apparently it's not quite that good—see [url=http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/honda/honda-riding-assist-technology-lets-motorcycles-balance-themselves.html]here.

I don't follow... the MO article doesn't say anything that I could find that says anything other than what the video shows.

Received a lukewarm response from some in the press..........fearing the self driving car.

When, in the near future, will it be illegal to manually operate a motor vehicle?

My prediction? California will be the first.

We live in a golden age of sorts.

I can't wait for robot cars. I'm SO tired of having to sit like the disinterested uncle watching his nephews blow themselves up on the fourth of July.

People can't drive. I realized this morning on the way to work that it all started with the general availability and use of the automatic transmission. With a manual transmission (which two of my four automobiles possess, and what I was driving this morning), you have to anticipate other driver's actions because you need to be in an appropriate gear to do something about it, so you're actually paying attention or else you go nowhere. With an automatic transmission, you just go to sleep and press the gas pedal harder when you need to, usually well after realizing something bad happened (if you happen to realize at all). Then add in cell phones, automatic cruise control, automatic braking/collision avoidance, lane departure warnings and lane-keep assists, etc., we're actually in a more dangerous situation now until we get to fully-autonomous vehicles because people are paying less and less attention while the driving experience still requires frequent human input.

I was in a training class at the office about there being four generations in the workplace today. Each generation went to breakout groups and recorded their impressions of the most significant events in their lifetime (political, cultural, technological, etc.).

The Baby Boom group said that one milestone was the mainstream adoption of power steering, power brakes, and the automatic transmission allowing far more women to drive.

You should have heard the howls of indignation from the Gen X and Millennial women! They protested that many of them know how to drive a manual transmission car.

One old geezer (still working well past 65 for the benefits) calmly explained the difference between a Mazda Miata with a manual and a '52 Chevrolet with heavy manual steering, bias ply tires, manual drum brakes, and a slushy 3-speed manual with a heavy clutch pedal.

Actually, the advent of self driving cars was one of the things that gave me the feeling that I should get back on a bike while I still could. I haven't heard much complaining from the general public about preserving the right to drive. Ready for my old fart impersonation? When I was a kid driving was looked forward to with eager anticipation, rather than just a way to get from A to B. Seems like that is becoming outdated. Virtual reality is another gripe. Perfectly healthy people getting their thrills from watching rather than doing.
As long as it's not mandatory, I agree that some people should not be driving.
Sorry for the rant. I could use a decent ride in the country, but since it's going to rain for a week it will have to wait. Also sorry for veering off topic.

Ben

"Get off my lawn you darn kids!"

That's because, as you know, they have never driven a car without power steering, power brakes, nor other than a modern synchromesh manual transmission -- if they've indeed ever driven a manual. I'm not sure they'd be prepared for the physical exertion necessary to drive such a vehicle, especially the non-synchronized m/t.

Wonder if that means you'll be able to set the speed, lean back and pour a coffee?

Apparently it's not quite that good—see [url=http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/honda/honda-riding-assist-technology-lets-motorcycles-balance-themselves.html]here.

I don't follow... the MO article doesn't say anything that I could find that says anything other than what the video shows.

Received a lukewarm response from some in the press..........fearing the self driving car.

When, in the near future, will it be illegal to manually operate a motor vehicle?

My prediction? California will be the first.

We live in a golden age of sorts.

I can't wait for robot cars. I'm SO tired of having to sit like the disinterested uncle watching his nephews blow themselves up on the fourth of July.

People can't drive. I realized this morning on the way to work that it all started with the general availability and use of the automatic transmission. With a manual transmission (which two of my four automobiles possess, and what I was driving this morning), you have to anticipate other driver's actions because you need to be in an appropriate gear to do something about it, so you're actually paying attention or else you go nowhere. With an automatic transmission, you just go to sleep and press the gas pedal harder when you need to, usually well after realizing something bad happened (if you happen to realize at all). Then add in cell phones, automatic cruise control, automatic braking/collision avoidance, lane departure warnings and lane-keep assists, etc., we're actually in a more dangerous situation now until we get to fully-autonomous vehicles because people are paying less and less attention while the driving experience still requires frequent human input.

I don't follow... the MO article doesn't say anything that I could find that says anything other than what the video shows.
Sorry, Bob, probably not much to follow. It was a poor attempt at humour I saw the video before reading the article and was speculating.

Received a lukewarm response from some in the press..........fearing the self driving car.

When, in the near future, will it be illegal to manually operate a motor vehicle?

My prediction? California will be the first.

We live in a golden age of sorts.

I can't wait for robot cars. I'm SO tired of having to sit like the disinterested uncle watching his nephews blow themselves up on the fourth of July.

Make the most of your riding then, because the minute self-driving cars are viable, humans will be banned from driving. For ever.

Wonder if that means you'll be able to set the speed, lean back and pour a coffee?

Apparently it's not quite that good—see [url=http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/honda/honda-riding-assist-technology-lets-motorcycles-balance-themselves.html]here.

I don't follow... the MO article doesn't say anything that I could find that says anything other than what the video shows.

Received a lukewarm response from some in the press..........fearing the self driving car.

When, in the near future, will it be illegal to manually operate a motor vehicle?

My prediction? California will be the first.

We live in a golden age of sorts.

I can't wait for robot cars. I'm SO tired of having to sit like the disinterested uncle watching his nephews blow themselves up on the fourth of July.

People can't drive. I realized this morning on the way to work that it all started with the general availability and use of the automatic transmission. With a manual transmission (which two of my four automobiles possess, and what I was driving this morning), you have to anticipate other driver's actions because you need to be in an appropriate gear to do something about it, so you're actually paying attention or else you go nowhere. With an automatic transmission, you just go to sleep and press the gas pedal harder when you need to, usually well after realizing something bad happened (if you happen to realize at all). Then add in cell phones, automatic cruise control, automatic braking/collision avoidance, lane departure warnings and lane-keep assists, etc., we're actually in a more dangerous situation now until we get to fully-autonomous vehicles because people are paying less and less attention while the driving experience still requires frequent human input.

I was in a training class at the office about there being four generations in the workplace today. Each generation went to breakout groups and recorded their impressions of the most significant events in their lifetime (political, cultural, technological, etc.).

The Baby Boom group said that one milestone was the mainstream adoption of power steering, power brakes, and the automatic transmission allowing far more women to drive.

You should have heard the howls of indignation from the Gen X and Millennial women! They protested that many of them know how to drive a manual transmission car.

One old geezer (still working well past 65 for the benefits) calmly explained the difference between a Mazda Miata with a manual and a '52 Chevrolet with heavy manual steering, bias ply tires, manual drum brakes, and a slushy 3-speed manual with a heavy clutch pedal.

Actually, the advent of self driving cars was one of the things that gave me the feeling that I should get back on a bike while I still could. I haven't heard much complaining from the general public about preserving the right to drive. Ready for my old fart impersonation? When I was a kid driving was looked forward to with eager anticipation, rather than just a way to get from A to B. Seems like that is becoming outdated. Virtual reality is another gripe. Perfectly healthy people getting their thrills from watching rather than doing.
As long as it's not mandatory, I agree that some people should not be driving.
Sorry for the rant. I could use a decent ride in the country, but since it's going to rain for a week it will have to wait. Also sorry for veering off topic.

Ben

"Get off my lawn you darn kids!"

It's interesting that in the UK, for example, it is quite hard to find a rental car with automatic transmission. Most people continue to drive manuals. Sadly it is not so here in Australia where the American penchant for automatic transmission has prevailed. The experience of women in the UK and in Australia was, I suspect different, because most cars were smaller and not nearly so heavy as the monsters being pushed out of Detroit. The game changer for many women here was, I suspect, the ready availability of the automobile.

Anyway, back to AzBob's post: enjoy it all while you may. The driverless car will be the end of us.

Make the most of your riding then, because the minute self-driving cars are viable, humans will be banned from driving. For ever.
I honestly don't think they'll ban human drivers, but I guess we'll see. Perhaps they'll create or classify high-speed corridors wherein the vehicle must be in robot-mode to enter (or the highway has a device that puts the vehicle into robot mode automatically upon entering and locks it there), but I doubt local driving will ever mandate robot control. My hope for this stems from the fact that I can still buy food that is obviously unhealthy. :-)
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A few years ago I saw this simulation of what an intersection might look like in a world of computer-controlled vehicles. Traffic signals have become redundant. It was embedded in [url=http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/the-traffic-intersection-of-the-future-busy-computer-controlled-and-very-nerve-wracking/]this short article. The animation posits human drivers (or "Luddites who still steer, accelerate and brake themselves" in the words of the article), but they are a great deal slower and less efficient than their robot mates and, anyway, have to surrender control of their car in the intersection. You can see how, if we could get traffic to move so smoothly without traffic lights etc, it wouldn't be long before those pesky human drivers were outlawed.

The yellow cars are driven by people.

[Sam Mac_imp]

Solution to the "heavy" problem?

Go on a diet or put helium in your tires.

[Aussieflyer]

Wonder if that means you'll be able to set the speed, lean back and pour a coffee?

Apparently it's not quite that good—see [url=http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/honda/honda-riding-assist-technology-lets-motorcycles-balance-themselves.html]here.

I don't follow... the MO article doesn't say anything that I could find that says anything other than what the video shows.

Received a lukewarm response from some in the press..........fearing the self driving car.

When, in the near future, will it be illegal to manually operate a motor vehicle?

My prediction? California will be the first.

We live in a golden age of sorts.

I can't wait for robot cars. I'm SO tired of having to sit like the disinterested uncle watching his nephews blow themselves up on the fourth of July.

People can't drive. I realized this morning on the way to work that it all started with the general availability and use of the automatic transmission. With a manual transmission (which two of my four automobiles possess, and what I was driving this morning), you have to anticipate other driver's actions because you need to be in an appropriate gear to do something about it, so you're actually paying attention or else you go nowhere. With an automatic transmission, you just go to sleep and press the gas pedal harder when you need to, usually well after realizing something bad happened (if you happen to realize at all). Then add in cell phones, automatic cruise control, automatic braking/collision avoidance, lane departure warnings and lane-keep assists, etc., we're actually in a more dangerous situation now until we get to fully-autonomous vehicles because people are paying less and less attention while the driving experience still requires frequent human input.

I was in a training class at the office about there being four generations in the workplace today. Each generation went to breakout groups and recorded their impressions of the most significant events in their lifetime (political, cultural, technological, etc.).

The Baby Boom group said that one milestone was the mainstream adoption of power steering, power brakes, and the automatic transmission allowing far more women to drive.

You should have heard the howls of indignation from the Gen X and Millennial women! They protested that many of them know how to drive a manual transmission car.

One old geezer (still working well past 65 for the benefits) calmly explained the difference between a Mazda Miata with a manual and a '52 Chevrolet with heavy manual steering, bias ply tires, manual drum brakes, and a slushy 3-speed manual with a heavy clutch pedal.

Actually, the advent of self driving cars was one of the things that gave me the feeling that I should get back on a bike while I still could. I haven't heard much complaining from the general public about preserving the right to drive. Ready for my old fart impersonation? When I was a kid driving was looked forward to with eager anticipation, rather than just a way to get from A to B. Seems like that is becoming outdated. Virtual reality is another gripe. Perfectly healthy people getting their thrills from watching rather than doing.
As long as it's not mandatory, I agree that some people should not be driving.
Sorry for the rant. I could use a decent ride in the country, but since it's going to rain for a week it will have to wait. Also sorry for veering off topic.

Ben

"Get off my lawn you darn kids!"

That's because, as you know, they have never driven a car without power steering, power brakes, nor other than a modern synchromesh manual transmission -- if they've indeed ever driven a manual. I'm not sure they'd be prepared for the physical exertion necessary to drive such a vehicle, especially the non-synchronized m/t.

Wonder if that means you'll be able to set the speed, lean back and pour a coffee?

Apparently it's not quite that good—see [url=http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/honda/honda-riding-assist-technology-lets-motorcycles-balance-themselves.html]here.

I don't follow... the MO article doesn't say anything that I could find that says anything other than what the video shows.

Received a lukewarm response from some in the press..........fearing the self driving car.

When, in the near future, will it be illegal to manually operate a motor vehicle?

My prediction? California will be the first.

We live in a golden age of sorts.

I can't wait for robot cars. I'm SO tired of having to sit like the disinterested uncle watching his nephews blow themselves up on the fourth of July.

People can't drive. I realized this morning on the way to work that it all started with the general availability and use of the automatic transmission. With a manual transmission (which two of my four automobiles possess, and what I was driving this morning), you have to anticipate other driver's actions because you need to be in an appropriate gear to do something about it, so you're actually paying attention or else you go nowhere. With an automatic transmission, you just go to sleep and press the gas pedal harder when you need to, usually well after realizing something bad happened (if you happen to realize at all). Then add in cell phones, automatic cruise control, automatic braking/collision avoidance, lane departure warnings and lane-keep assists, etc., we're actually in a more dangerous situation now until we get to fully-autonomous vehicles because people are paying less and less attention while the driving experience still requires frequent human input.

I don't follow... the MO article doesn't say anything that I could find that says anything other than what the video shows.
Sorry, Bob, probably not much to follow. It was a poor attempt at humour I saw the video before reading the article and was speculating.

Received a lukewarm response from some in the press..........fearing the self driving car.

When, in the near future, will it be illegal to manually operate a motor vehicle?

My prediction? California will be the first.

We live in a golden age of sorts.

I can't wait for robot cars. I'm SO tired of having to sit like the disinterested uncle watching his nephews blow themselves up on the fourth of July.

Make the most of your riding then, because the minute self-driving cars are viable, humans will be banned from driving. For ever.

Wonder if that means you'll be able to set the speed, lean back and pour a coffee?

Apparently it's not quite that good—see [url=http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/honda/honda-riding-assist-technology-lets-motorcycles-balance-themselves.html]here.

I don't follow... the MO article doesn't say anything that I could find that says anything other than what the video shows.

Received a lukewarm response from some in the press..........fearing the self driving car.

When, in the near future, will it be illegal to manually operate a motor vehicle?

My prediction? California will be the first.

We live in a golden age of sorts.

I can't wait for robot cars. I'm SO tired of having to sit like the disinterested uncle watching his nephews blow themselves up on the fourth of July.

People can't drive. I realized this morning on the way to work that it all started with the general availability and use of the automatic transmission. With a manual transmission (which two of my four automobiles possess, and what I was driving this morning), you have to anticipate other driver's actions because you need to be in an appropriate gear to do something about it, so you're actually paying attention or else you go nowhere. With an automatic transmission, you just go to sleep and press the gas pedal harder when you need to, usually well after realizing something bad happened (if you happen to realize at all). Then add in cell phones, automatic cruise control, automatic braking/collision avoidance, lane departure warnings and lane-keep assists, etc., we're actually in a more dangerous situation now until we get to fully-autonomous vehicles because people are paying less and less attention while the driving experience still requires frequent human input.

I was in a training class at the office about there being four generations in the workplace today. Each generation went to breakout groups and recorded their impressions of the most significant events in their lifetime (political, cultural, technological, etc.).

The Baby Boom group said that one milestone was the mainstream adoption of power steering, power brakes, and the automatic transmission allowing far more women to drive.

You should have heard the howls of indignation from the Gen X and Millennial women! They protested that many of them know how to drive a manual transmission car.

One old geezer (still working well past 65 for the benefits) calmly explained the difference between a Mazda Miata with a manual and a '52 Chevrolet with heavy manual steering, bias ply tires, manual drum brakes, and a slushy 3-speed manual with a heavy clutch pedal.

Actually, the advent of self driving cars was one of the things that gave me the feeling that I should get back on a bike while I still could. I haven't heard much complaining from the general public about preserving the right to drive. Ready for my old fart impersonation? When I was a kid driving was looked forward to with eager anticipation, rather than just a way to get from A to B. Seems like that is becoming outdated. Virtual reality is another gripe. Perfectly healthy people getting their thrills from watching rather than doing.
As long as it's not mandatory, I agree that some people should not be driving.
Sorry for the rant. I could use a decent ride in the country, but since it's going to rain for a week it will have to wait. Also sorry for veering off topic.

Ben

"Get off my lawn you darn kids!"

It's interesting that in the UK, for example, it is quite hard to find a rental car with automatic transmission. Most people continue to drive manuals. Sadly it is not so here in Australia where the American penchant for automatic transmission has prevailed. The experience of women in the UK and in Australia was, I suspect different, because most cars were smaller and not nearly so heavy as the monsters being pushed out of Detroit. The game changer for many women here was, I suspect, the ready availability of the automobile.

Anyway, back to AzBob's post: enjoy it all while you may. The driverless car will be the end of us.

Make the most of your riding then, because the minute self-driving cars are viable, humans will be banned from driving. For ever.
I honestly don't think they'll ban human drivers, but I guess we'll see. Perhaps they'll create or classify high-speed corridors wherein the vehicle must be in robot-mode to enter (or the highway has a device that puts the vehicle into robot mode automatically upon entering and locks it there), but I doubt local driving will ever mandate robot control. My hope for this stems from the fact that I can still buy food that is obviously unhealthy. :-)

A few years ago I saw this simulation of what an intersection might look like in a world of computer-controlled vehicles. Traffic signals have become redundant. It was embedded in [url=http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/the-traffic-intersection-of-the-future-busy-computer-controlled-and-very-nerve-wracking/]this short article. The animation posits human drivers (or "Luddites who still steer, accelerate and brake themselves" in the words of the article), but they are a great deal slower and less efficient than their robot mates and, anyway, have to surrender control of their car in the intersection. You can see how, if we could get traffic to move so smoothly without traffic lights etc, it wouldn't be long before those pesky human drivers were outlawed.

The yellow cars are driven by people.




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A few years ago I saw this simulation of what an intersection might look like in a world of computer-controlled vehicles. Traffic signals have become redundant. It was embedded in [url=http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/the-traffic-intersection-of-the-future-busy-computer-controlled-and-very-nerve-wracking/]this short article. The animation posits human drivers (or "Luddites who still steer, accelerate and brake themselves" in the words of the article), but they are a great deal slower and less efficient than their robot mates and, anyway, have to surrender control of their car in the intersection. You can see how, if we could get traffic to move so smoothly without traffic lights etc, it wouldn't be long before those pesky human drivers were outlawed.

The yellow cars are driven by people.




Hey Cormanus,
if the TV documentary I watched recently about a young chef's journey through Asia is factual then I think this video is being used in most of their driver education programs.

[flynrider]

Wonder if that means you'll be able to set the speed, lean back and pour a coffee?

Apparently it's not quite that good—see here.

I don't follow... the MO article doesn't say anything that I could find that says anything other than what the video shows.

Received a lukewarm response from some in the press..........fearing the self driving car.

When, in the near future, will it be illegal to manually operate a motor vehicle?

My prediction? California will be the first.

We live in a golden age of sorts.

I can't wait for robot cars. I'm SO tired of having to sit like the disinterested uncle watching his nephews blow themselves up on the fourth of July.

People can't drive. I realized this morning on the way to work that it all started with the general availability and use of the automatic transmission. With a manual transmission (which two of my four automobiles possess, and what I was driving this morning), you have to anticipate other driver's actions because you need to be in an appropriate gear to do something about it, so you're actually paying attention or else you go nowhere. With an automatic transmission, you just go to sleep and press the gas pedal harder when you need to, usually well after realizing something bad happened (if you happen to realize at all). Then add in cell phones, automatic cruise control, automatic braking/collision avoidance, lane departure warnings and lane-keep assists, etc., we're actually in a more dangerous situation now until we get to fully-autonomous vehicles because people are paying less and less attention while the driving experience still requires frequent human input.

I was in a training class at the office about there being four generations in the workplace today. Each generation went to breakout groups and recorded their impressions of the most significant events in their lifetime (political, cultural, technological, etc.).

The Baby Boom group said that one milestone was the mainstream adoption of power steering, power brakes, and the automatic transmission allowing far more women to drive.

You should have heard the howls of indignation from the Gen X and Millennial women! They protested that many of them know how to drive a manual transmission car.

One old geezer (still working well past 65 for the benefits) calmly explained the difference between a Mazda Miata with a manual and a '52 Chevrolet with heavy manual steering, bias ply tires, manual drum brakes, and a slushy 3-speed manual with a heavy clutch pedal.

Actually, the advent of self driving cars was one of the things that gave me the feeling that I should get back on a bike while I still could. I haven't heard much complaining from the general public about preserving the right to drive. Ready for my old fart impersonation? When I was a kid driving was looked forward to with eager anticipation, rather than just a way to get from A to B. Seems like that is becoming outdated. Virtual reality is another gripe. Perfectly healthy people getting their thrills from watching rather than doing.
As long as it's not mandatory, I agree that some people should not be driving.
Sorry for the rant. I could use a decent ride in the country, but since it's going to rain for a week it will have to wait. Also sorry for veering off topic.

Ben

"Get off my lawn you darn kids!"

That's because, as you know, they have never driven a car without power steering, power brakes, nor other than a modern synchromesh manual transmission -- if they've indeed ever driven a manual. I'm not sure they'd be prepared for the physical exertion necessary to drive such a vehicle, especially the non-synchronized m/t.

Wonder if that means you'll be able to set the speed, lean back and pour a coffee?

Apparently it's not quite that good—see [url=http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/honda/honda-riding-assist-technology-lets-motorcycles-balance-themselves.html]here.

I don't follow... the MO article doesn't say anything that I could find that says anything other than what the video shows.

Received a lukewarm response from some in the press..........fearing the self driving car.

When, in the near future, will it be illegal to manually operate a motor vehicle?

My prediction? California will be the first.

We live in a golden age of sorts.

I can't wait for robot cars. I'm SO tired of having to sit like the disinterested uncle watching his nephews blow themselves up on the fourth of July.

People can't drive. I realized this morning on the way to work that it all started with the general availability and use of the automatic transmission. With a manual transmission (which two of my four automobiles possess, and what I was driving this morning), you have to anticipate other driver's actions because you need to be in an appropriate gear to do something about it, so you're actually paying attention or else you go nowhere. With an automatic transmission, you just go to sleep and press the gas pedal harder when you need to, usually well after realizing something bad happened (if you happen to realize at all). Then add in cell phones, automatic cruise control, automatic braking/collision avoidance, lane departure warnings and lane-keep assists, etc., we're actually in a more dangerous situation now until we get to fully-autonomous vehicles because people are paying less and less attention while the driving experience still requires frequent human input.

I don't follow... the MO article doesn't say anything that I could find that says anything other than what the video shows.
Sorry, Bob, probably not much to follow. It was a poor attempt at humour I saw the video before reading the article and was speculating.

Received a lukewarm response from some in the press..........fearing the self driving car.

When, in the near future, will it be illegal to manually operate a motor vehicle?

My prediction? California will be the first.

We live in a golden age of sorts.

I can't wait for robot cars. I'm SO tired of having to sit like the disinterested uncle watching his nephews blow themselves up on the fourth of July.

Make the most of your riding then, because the minute self-driving cars are viable, humans will be banned from driving. For ever.

Wonder if that means you'll be able to set the speed, lean back and pour a coffee?

Apparently it's not quite that good—see [url=http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/honda/honda-riding-assist-technology-lets-motorcycles-balance-themselves.html]here.

I don't follow... the MO article doesn't say anything that I could find that says anything other than what the video shows.

Received a lukewarm response from some in the press..........fearing the self driving car.

When, in the near future, will it be illegal to manually operate a motor vehicle?

My prediction? California will be the first.

We live in a golden age of sorts.

I can't wait for robot cars. I'm SO tired of having to sit like the disinterested uncle watching his nephews blow themselves up on the fourth of July.

People can't drive. I realized this morning on the way to work that it all started with the general availability and use of the automatic transmission. With a manual transmission (which two of my four automobiles possess, and what I was driving this morning), you have to anticipate other driver's actions because you need to be in an appropriate gear to do something about it, so you're actually paying attention or else you go nowhere. With an automatic transmission, you just go to sleep and press the gas pedal harder when you need to, usually well after realizing something bad happened (if you happen to realize at all). Then add in cell phones, automatic cruise control, automatic braking/collision avoidance, lane departure warnings and lane-keep assists, etc., we're actually in a more dangerous situation now until we get to fully-autonomous vehicles because people are paying less and less attention while the driving experience still requires frequent human input.

I was in a training class at the office about there being four generations in the workplace today. Each generation went to breakout groups and recorded their impressions of the most significant events in their lifetime (political, cultural, technological, etc.).

The Baby Boom group said that one milestone was the mainstream adoption of power steering, power brakes, and the automatic transmission allowing far more women to drive.

You should have heard the howls of indignation from the Gen X and Millennial women! They protested that many of them know how to drive a manual transmission car.

One old geezer (still working well past 65 for the benefits) calmly explained the difference between a Mazda Miata with a manual and a '52 Chevrolet with heavy manual steering, bias ply tires, manual drum brakes, and a slushy 3-speed manual with a heavy clutch pedal.

Actually, the advent of self driving cars was one of the things that gave me the feeling that I should get back on a bike while I still could. I haven't heard much complaining from the general public about preserving the right to drive. Ready for my old fart impersonation? When I was a kid driving was looked forward to with eager anticipation, rather than just a way to get from A to B. Seems like that is becoming outdated. Virtual reality is another gripe. Perfectly healthy people getting their thrills from watching rather than doing.
As long as it's not mandatory, I agree that some people should not be driving.
Sorry for the rant. I could use a decent ride in the country, but since it's going to rain for a week it will have to wait. Also sorry for veering off topic.

Ben

"Get off my lawn you darn kids!"

It's interesting that in the UK, for example, it is quite hard to find a rental car with automatic transmission. Most people continue to drive manuals. Sadly it is not so here in Australia where the American penchant for automatic transmission has prevailed. The experience of women in the UK and in Australia was, I suspect different, because most cars were smaller and not nearly so heavy as the monsters being pushed out of Detroit. The game changer for many women here was, I suspect, the ready availability of the automobile.

Anyway, back to AzBob's post: enjoy it all while you may. The driverless car will be the end of us.

Make the most of your riding then, because the minute self-driving cars are viable, humans will be banned from driving. For ever.
I honestly don't think they'll ban human drivers, but I guess we'll see. Perhaps they'll create or classify high-speed corridors wherein the vehicle must be in robot-mode to enter (or the highway has a device that puts the vehicle into robot mode automatically upon entering and locks it there), but I doubt local driving will ever mandate robot control. My hope for this stems from the fact that I can still buy food that is obviously unhealthy. :-)

A few years ago I saw this simulation of what an intersection might look like in a world of computer-controlled vehicles. Traffic signals have become redundant. It was embedded in [url=http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/the-traffic-intersection-of-the-future-busy-computer-controlled-and-very-nerve-wracking/]this short article. The animation posits human drivers (or "Luddites who still steer, accelerate and brake themselves" in the words of the article), but they are a great deal slower and less efficient than their robot mates and, anyway, have to surrender control of their car in the intersection. You can see how, if we could get traffic to move so smoothly without traffic lights etc, it wouldn't be long before those pesky human drivers were outlawed.

The yellow cars are driven by people.

A few years ago I saw this simulation of what an intersection might look like in a world of computer-controlled vehicles. Traffic signals have become redundant. It was embedded in [url=http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/the-traffic-intersection-of-the-future-busy-computer-controlled-and-very-nerve-wracking/]this short article. The animation posits human drivers (or "Luddites who still steer, accelerate and brake themselves" in the words of the article), but they are a great deal slower and less efficient than their robot mates and, anyway, have to surrender control of their car in the intersection. You can see how, if we could get traffic to move so smoothly without traffic lights etc, it wouldn't be long before those pesky human drivers were outlawed.

The yellow cars are driven by people.




Hey Cormanus,
if the TV documentary I watched recently about a young chef's journey through Asia is factual then I think this video is being used in most of their driver education programs.
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I recall seeing a video of traffic at a Vietnamese intersection with no traffic lights. It looks a lot like that computer simulation, without the robotic drivers.

Here it is :

[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz5uxAsrbwI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz5uxAsrbwI

Ultimately, in the name of safety, I think that manual driving will be eliminated. That's always been the goal of the self driving car technology. The computers can easily communicate and coordinate their movements to avoid collisions. It's only when you add an unnetworked, unpredictable human into the mix that bad stuff starts happening.