speedo miles and km for usa models...by law?

[Cormanus]

Another example of fine British engineering.

[Capo]

You guys can't be serious about the Triumph gauges, really?

Serious. Absolutely true, I couldn't believe my eyes at first; "Those needles are jiggling?" There's no way needles in a modern electronic gage jiggle, they're damped and well-controlled. The Street Cup's bounce like the old-school gages. Not hard to program. It's funny.

Serious. Absolutely true, I couldn't believe my eyes at first; "Those needles are jiggling?" There's no way needles in a modern electronic gage jiggle, they're damped and well-controlled. The Street Cup's bounce like the old-school gages. Not hard to program. It's funny.

The CB was purposely designed to have an uneven, lumpy idle and off idle engine ‘character’ so it would be more like the old ones. Bouncy needles are a piece of cake compared to that.



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[Ulvetanna_imp]

You guys can't be serious about the Triumph gauges, really?

Serious. Absolutely true, I couldn't believe my eyes at first; "Those needles are jiggling?" There's no way needles in a modern electronic gage jiggle, they're damped and well-controlled. The Street Cup's bounce like the old-school gages. Not hard to program. It's funny.

Serious. Absolutely true, I couldn't believe my eyes at first; "Those needles are jiggling?" There's no way needles in a modern electronic gage jiggle, they're damped and well-controlled. The Street Cup's bounce like the old-school gages. Not hard to program. It's funny.

The CB was purposely designed to have an uneven, lumpy idle and off idle engine ‘character’ so it would be more like the old ones. Bouncy needles are a piece of cake compared to that.



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Serious. Absolutely true, I couldn't believe my eyes at first; "Those needles are jiggling?" There's no way needles in a modern electronic gage jiggle, they're damped and well-controlled. The Street Cup's bounce like the old-school gages. Not hard to program. It's funny.

The CB was purposely designed to have an uneven, lumpy idle and off idle engine ‘character’ so it would be more like the old ones. Bouncy needles are a piece of cake compared to that.



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I never heard of a Thruxton or T120 doing it. It's just one of those weird things some designer thought would look cool. I could hardly believe my eyes the first time I noticed it.

Designers do all kinds of strange things to give that vintage cachet.

Of analog gages, I sure remember the cable-driven gages on many of my older 80's bikes bouncing, mainly the speedo.

[Guth_imp]

You guys can't be serious about the Triumph gauges, really?

Serious. Absolutely true, I couldn't believe my eyes at first; "Those needles are jiggling?" There's no way needles in a modern electronic gage jiggle, they're damped and well-controlled. The Street Cup's bounce like the old-school gages. Not hard to program. It's funny.

Serious. Absolutely true, I couldn't believe my eyes at first; "Those needles are jiggling?" There's no way needles in a modern electronic gage jiggle, they're damped and well-controlled. The Street Cup's bounce like the old-school gages. Not hard to program. It's funny.

The CB was purposely designed to have an uneven, lumpy idle and off idle engine ‘character’ so it would be more like the old ones. Bouncy needles are a piece of cake compared to that.



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It's interesting that you would bring this up Capo as I was reminded of this very thing when I read about Triumph's gauges. I have to say that that I simply don't appreciate these marketing driven decisions. Such things must drive engineers absolutely bonkers. Whether it's Honda trying to develop "character" into their otherwise wonderful modern air-cooled inline four cylinder engine or Triumph trying to cause their gauges to vibrate or their fuel injection to look like carbs or claiming the cylinder fins on their water cooled bikes to be purposeful (Kawasaki can now also be included with this group), it's all rather sad in my book. Honestly, I find it all to be a bunch of marketing-driven BS. None of these things needed to be done, but manufacturers must feel that these things are needed as a way to get old, nostalgic guys to part ways with their money. Maybe they're right, but I personally could do without any of these things and would have much more respect for these companies if they'd just skip this sort of nonsense.

[emptysea]

My needle jiggles. Not sure why you all need to know that, though.

[the Ferret]

Checked with my brother tonight at dinner, no jiggles in his needles on his T-120. Also told him one of you guys said there was an ECU reflash to fix the stalling problem. he's going to call the dealer and check.

[Ulvetanna_imp]

Checked with my brother tonight at dinner, no jiggles in his needles on his T-120. Also told him one of you guys said there was an ECU reflash to fix the stalling problem. he's going to call the dealer and check.

That's what the current service bulletin is supposed to do. I don't think it's quite a recall, not sure.

You guys can't be serious about the Triumph gauges, really?

Serious. Absolutely true, I couldn't believe my eyes at first; "Those needles are jiggling?" There's no way needles in a modern electronic gage jiggle, they're damped and well-controlled. The Street Cup's bounce like the old-school gages. Not hard to program. It's funny.

Serious. Absolutely true, I couldn't believe my eyes at first; "Those needles are jiggling?" There's no way needles in a modern electronic gage jiggle, they're damped and well-controlled. The Street Cup's bounce like the old-school gages. Not hard to program. It's funny.

The CB was purposely designed to have an uneven, lumpy idle and off idle engine ‘character’ so it would be more like the old ones. Bouncy needles are a piece of cake compared to that.



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It's interesting that you would bring this up Capo as I was reminded of this very thing when I read about Triumph's gauges. I have to say that that I simply don't appreciate these marketing driven decisions. Such things must drive engineers absolutely bonkers. Whether it's Honda trying to develop "character" into their otherwise wonderful modern air-cooled inline four cylinder engine or Triumph trying to cause their gauges to vibrate or their fuel injection to look like carbs or claiming the cylinder fins on their water cooled bikes to be purposeful (Kawasaki can now also be included with this group), it's all rather sad in my book. Honestly, I find it all to be a bunch of marketing-driven BS. None of these things needed to be done, but manufacturers must feel that these things are needed as a way to get old, nostalgic guys to part ways with their money. Maybe they're right, but I personally could do without any of these things and would have much more respect for these companies if they'd just skip this sort of nonsense.

It's interesting that you would bring this up Capo as I was reminded of this very thing when I read about Triumph's gauges. I have to say that that I simply don't appreciate these marketing driven decisions. Such things must drive engineers absolutely bonkers. Whether it's Honda trying to develop "character" into their otherwise wonderful modern air-cooled inline four cylinder engine or Triumph trying to cause their gauges to vibrate or their fuel injection to look like carbs or claiming the cylinder fins on their water cooled bikes to be purposeful (Kawasaki can now also be included with this group), it's all rather sad in my book. Honestly, I find it all to be a bunch of marketing-driven BS. None of these things needed to be done, but manufacturers must feel that these things are needed as a way to get old, nostalgic guys to part ways with their money. Maybe they're right, but I personally could do without any of these things and would have much more respect for these companies if they'd just skip this sort of nonsense. It's what Millennials want. They don't have any idea of what actually makes anything function. They like cassette tapes, and vinyl records, and all that junk because certain kinds of old school are very cool. Those are the people buying most stuff now.

I know one young guy who was going to go do his demo album by first recording all the tracks on 2" 24-track tape and then transferring it to digital. I told him to skip it, the digital is so good now the extra step is not needed. But studios keep these old dinosaurs around to attract customers who just think old stuff is cool.

These younger folks are social-media driven. They will flock to an unknown hot dog joint and wait in line a couple hours, taking selfies and checking social media status all the while, not even knowing if the hot dog is any good.

Everything is driven by style and popularity now.

I notice that the Millennials in my neighborhood seem to be making more money this year, and they're probably going to spend every cent on having fun. I doubt many will put aside a nickel. Also they frequently have huge student loan debts to pay off, which are far from being paid at present.

So a bike that looks cool, seems to do the watusi, and has the right branding will sell.

I am happy that despite the silly gage jiggling and fins that are said to help with cooling (the physics of it means they have to do at least some work) the Triumphs I have are absolutely stellar motorcycles in every meaningful way.

[Capo]

You guys can't be serious about the Triumph gauges, really?

Serious. Absolutely true, I couldn't believe my eyes at first; "Those needles are jiggling?" There's no way needles in a modern electronic gage jiggle, they're damped and well-controlled. The Street Cup's bounce like the old-school gages. Not hard to program. It's funny.

Serious. Absolutely true, I couldn't believe my eyes at first; "Those needles are jiggling?" There's no way needles in a modern electronic gage jiggle, they're damped and well-controlled. The Street Cup's bounce like the old-school gages. Not hard to program. It's funny.

The CB was purposely designed to have an uneven, lumpy idle and off idle engine ‘character’ so it would be more like the old ones. Bouncy needles are a piece of cake compared to that.



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It's interesting that you would bring this up Capo as I was reminded of this very thing when I read about Triumph's gauges. I have to say that that I simply don't appreciate these marketing driven decisions. Such things must drive engineers absolutely bonkers. Whether it's Honda trying to develop "character" into their otherwise wonderful modern air-cooled inline four cylinder engine or Triumph trying to cause their gauges to vibrate or their fuel injection to look like carbs or claiming the cylinder fins on their water cooled bikes to be purposeful (Kawasaki can now also be included with this group), it's all rather sad in my book. Honestly, I find it all to be a bunch of marketing-driven BS. None of these things needed to be done, but manufacturers must feel that these things are needed as a way to get old, nostalgic guys to part ways with their money. Maybe they're right, but I personally could do without any of these things and would have much more respect for these companies if they'd just skip this sort of nonsense.

Honestly, I find it all to be a bunch of marketing-driven BS. None of these things needed to be done, but manufacturers must feel that these things are needed as a way to get old, nostalgic guys to part ways with their money. Maybe they're right, but I personally could do without any of these things and would have much more respect for these companies if they'd just skip this sort of nonsense.
It is Marketing- driven, but I don’t think it’s BS. If you think about it, every element of the modern retro bike is marketing- driven. There are certainly no performance benefits to dual shocks, air cooling, 550 lbs of bike in a steel cradle frame, etc. I find much of what you listed as innocuous, and ties these bikes back to their forebears.

Bouncy needles are kinda stupid,though.

Regarding the ECU flash update on the Bonnie/ Thrux, it’s not a recall but they definitely want owners to do it. I have not had the stalling but will get it done in spring.




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[VLJ_imp]

You guys can't be serious about the Triumph gauges, really?

Serious. Absolutely true, I couldn't believe my eyes at first; "Those needles are jiggling?" There's no way needles in a modern electronic gage jiggle, they're damped and well-controlled. The Street Cup's bounce like the old-school gages. Not hard to program. It's funny.

Serious. Absolutely true, I couldn't believe my eyes at first; "Those needles are jiggling?" There's no way needles in a modern electronic gage jiggle, they're damped and well-controlled. The Street Cup's bounce like the old-school gages. Not hard to program. It's funny.

The CB was purposely designed to have an uneven, lumpy idle and off idle engine ‘character’ so it would be more like the old ones. Bouncy needles are a piece of cake compared to that.



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Serious. Absolutely true, I couldn't believe my eyes at first; "Those needles are jiggling?" There's no way needles in a modern electronic gage jiggle, they're damped and well-controlled. The Street Cup's bounce like the old-school gages. Not hard to program. It's funny.
The CB was purposely designed to have an uneven, lumpy idle and off idle engine ‘character’ so it would be more like the old ones. Bouncy needles are a piece of cake compared to that.
Even so, any model-year CB1100 is still smooth as silk. Bouncy needles are just plain bad.

[Guth_imp]

The shame in Ulvetanna's recording example is not that the young musicians decided to record to analog, but that they wanted to master the recording digitally. If the intent is to make the music available in an analog format then just skip the digital portions of the recording chain all together. The real problem with this scenario is that very few people have a decent enough playback system anymore to hear the difference between a recording made with low-end digital recording equipment and one made meticulously with an all-analog process (and that's if they even care). Most people now tend to listen to music through their computer speakers or via crappy headphones so it doesn't really matter that much to them. When it comes to recording music, if the desire is simply to make your music available for the masses via any of the digital based formats then don't bother with going to the trouble to incorporate analog technology into the mix, just let the music stand on it's own. Whether it's recorded music or motorcycles —I'd much rather see manufacturers leave the bogus stuff out/off.

Vinyl albums that were digitally recorded are exactly the same to me as a water-cooled bike sporting "air-cooling' fins, or using offset cylinder timing to create some unevenness in an otherwise amazingly smooth engine. Just like digitally recorded vinyl records, these things are done for no other reason than to sell more product (typically to people that don't know any better). Millennials go for this kind of thing with their music, as di some of us old farts with our motorcycles. Obviously I'm not thrilled with Honda's decision to intentionally make the engine run rougher. I will tell people that I bought the CB despite such a decision by Honda. In the case of Triumph, of course the fins add "some cooling' by the nature of physics, but they could have just as easily been left off. This along with the fuel injection being tarted up as carbs is exactly the same as digital recordings being transferred to vinyl records. The difference isn't so much the products involved but the age groups that they are being marketed to. Most vinyl records these days are being sold to millennials and most retro motorcycles are being sold to older guys. Either way, the marketers are counting on these different sets of consumers to buy into the image that they've worked so hard (and in the examples above, have gone above and beyond) to create.