BMW 1200RS

[HikerToo_imp]

sounds like their cars, I bought a CPO BMW 2011 328i, warranty til 2017, but some people on their forums won't own a BMW( or any German car) without a warranty, they are great and feel nice, but take more and pricier maintenance than other brands....

[furious_blue_imp]

I hear ya, JPT, but not everyone has the desire, the talent, or the tools to do a rebuild.
BTW, What scared me off from BMW was the $2,000 final drive repairs and $4,000 clutch jobs. (Not joking)

I saved these photos that I encountered:

1. What it takes to get to the clutch of a Boxer so that a leaking oil seal can be replaced


2. catastrophic failure of an F model swingarm


3. catastrophic failure of an F model fork


I bought a BMW car in 2000, within a few months the paint was getting chips all over the front, I don't live in a gravel-ly area.. the paint on my old beater 1982 Nissan Sentra was far more durable than that...
I don't get it. BMW had (?) such a reputation for quality and durability ? (or am I seriously mistaken)...

[gossman_imp]

They enjoy creating technological marvels. Just as most high end vehicles end up, the Toyotas of the world just outlast them. What's the most reliable Lotus? The one with the Toyota engine.

[Capo]

They enjoy creating technological marvels. Just as most high end vehicles end up, the Toyotas of the world just outlast them. What's the most reliable Lotus? The one with the Toyota engine.

Yes, I know!: [/img]

[NightRider_imp]

I hear ya, JPT, but not everyone has the desire, the talent, or the tools to do a rebuild.
BTW, What scared me off from BMW was the $2,000 final drive repairs and $4,000 clutch jobs. (Not joking)

I saved these photos that I encountered:

1. What it takes to get to the clutch of a Boxer so that a leaking oil seal can be replaced


2. catastrophic failure of an F model swingarm


3. catastrophic failure of an F model fork


I bought a BMW car in 2000, within a few months the paint was getting chips all over the front, I don't live in a gravel-ly area.. the paint on my old beater 1982 Nissan Sentra was far more durable than that...
I don't get it. BMW had (?) such a reputation for quality and durability ? (or am I seriously mistaken)...

I saved these photos that I encountered:

1. What it takes to get to the clutch of a Boxer so that a leaking oil seal can be replaced


2. catastrophic failure of an F model swingarm


3. catastrophic failure of an F model fork


I bought a BMW car in 2000, within a few months the paint was getting chips all over the front, I don't live in a gravel-ly area.. the paint on my old beater 1982 Nissan Sentra was far more durable than that...
I don't get it. BMW had (?) such a reputation for quality and durability ? (or am I seriously mistaken)...

Wow. I suppose the box engine has some advantages and disadvantages and one has to decide what is more important. The advantage is the straight shot from the crank to the transmission and driveshaft which has power delivery and efficiency advantages inherent to that design. The disadvantage is you must pull the engine to get to something on the back end that would be on the sides of our engine.

The busted members could be from some abuse rather than simply breaking so I would not be scared to buy a BMW if I wanted the advantages of having one over the problems the designs might have especially in the fix-it cost area. I like the boxer engine and it does have some fans and plenty of them.

[the Ferret]

When I was a kid, my father rode Indians and then Harleys. I am not kidding when I tell you this, top ends on his bikes had to be overhauld every 10,000 miles. Bottom ends every 20,000 miles. BMWs from that era would reportedly go 100,000 miles. So I grew up wanting a BMW (you could also get a 10 gallon gas tank as an option which I thought was cool).

I've always thought the BMW R100/7 was one of the most beautiful bikes ever made. 4 times since 1976 I have tried to buy BMW motorcycles. First time was an R 90S. Last time was an 1150 Rockster.Each time a test ride convinced me not to buy. Love looking at them. Hate riding them.

[ClassicVW_imp]

Oh, I AM a fan of the boxer engine, just no longer a fan of a new model BMW motorcycle. I even won a new BMW motorcycle a couple of years back, but sold it just prior to the warranty expiring and bought a new Honda. I just couldn't stop worrying if I was going to be handed a repair bill for $4,000 one day. ( A used BMW I owned was previously a California police bike and I have the receipt where the city was charged, and paid, $4,100 for a clutch) Oh, and buying the Honda not only saved me from worrying but I also pocketed 10 grand after switching.

[furious_blue_imp]

I hear ya, JPT, but not everyone has the desire, the talent, or the tools to do a rebuild.
BTW, What scared me off from BMW was the $2,000 final drive repairs and $4,000 clutch jobs. (Not joking)

I saved these photos that I encountered:

1. What it takes to get to the clutch of a Boxer so that a leaking oil seal can be replaced


2. catastrophic failure of an F model swingarm


3. catastrophic failure of an F model fork


I bought a BMW car in 2000, within a few months the paint was getting chips all over the front, I don't live in a gravel-ly area.. the paint on my old beater 1982 Nissan Sentra was far more durable than that...
I don't get it. BMW had (?) such a reputation for quality and durability ? (or am I seriously mistaken)...

I saved these photos that I encountered:

1. What it takes to get to the clutch of a Boxer so that a leaking oil seal can be replaced


2. catastrophic failure of an F model swingarm


3. catastrophic failure of an F model fork


I bought a BMW car in 2000, within a few months the paint was getting chips all over the front, I don't live in a gravel-ly area.. the paint on my old beater 1982 Nissan Sentra was far more durable than that...
I don't get it. BMW had (?) such a reputation for quality and durability ? (or am I seriously mistaken)...

Wow. I suppose the box engine has some advantages and disadvantages and one has to decide what is more important. The advantage is the straight shot from the crank to the transmission and driveshaft which has power delivery and efficiency advantages inherent to that design. The disadvantage is you must pull the engine to get to something on the back end that would be on the sides of our engine.

The busted members could be from some abuse rather than simply breaking so I would not be scared to buy a BMW if I wanted the advantages of having one over the problems the designs might have especially in the fix-it cost area. I like the boxer engine and it does have some fans and plenty of them.

I guess that's actually one advantage.. on that generation of boxer, there is no 'frame'..
to get to the rear, the entire back end was removed, but the front end could stay attached :-)





The newer GS model now has a real tubular steel frame (as I understand it from a picture anyway)...

[the Ferret]

All mfgs have warranty depts for a reason, and none that I know of are perfect. My ST has not been without it's issues with secondary master cylinders and thermostats and Goldwings had an issue breaking frames. So lets not turn this into a BMW bashing thread.

BMWs reputation has suffered of late, but just like Hondas or Yamahas or Harleys guys can get good ones or bad ones. Luck of the draw

[redbirds_imp]

New Boxers also have a wet clutch located up front for easy access.

My '73 R/75 was the finest bike I ever owned until the CB took that honor. The old boxers were easy to maintain and, given proper maintenance, reliable as a claw hammer. Too bad the new ones are technological nightmares when something goes amiss.