08-17-2014, 01:44 PM
Quote:So, if you don't meet this characterisation, you're not "a good and true biker"?
Allow me a little literary licence. Please.
. I withdraw that and proceed.
Quote: As has been noted elsewhere, the conversation started around behaviour on public roads.
Not true. The conversation started about acceptance of fault, or responsibility if you wish, for our own choices. I did put "Rant" in the thread title and, knowingly, accept the consequences of a good rant. A hypothetical:
Despite regulation and signage a young lad runs wide and into the ARMCO. Does he say: "I took the wrong line. I froze. I didn't increase counter steering effort to attempt to change my bad line. I ran into the gravel. I collected the ARMCO. When I'm out of hospital I'm going to work on never doing that again."? No. He says (perhaps): "The rear tyre felt like it hit a bump. The rear wheel lost traction and the bike lowsided into the ARMCO." Hell and damnation, wasn't anyone driving that bike?
Another hypothetical: A car, without indication, suddenly does a u-turn and the rider, who is riding well within the law or reasonable expectations and despite best efforts, face plants it. Let the law, insurance companies or whoever sought out the detail, the fault if you wish. My point is that the rider would have been much better placed driving a Hummer and turning that car into a wafer. But if the rider chooses to swim in toothy waters then so be it. IT'S HIS CHOICE. Acceptance of risk and the consequences of that risk is required for an honest self analysis. The shark will never change it's ways. The way of the world I think it's called.
Some people find alcohol or cigarettes enjoyable but these pursuits lead to an increased death rate amongst participants and a huge cost to the public purse. Bit like biking really. Wonder if we, as a concerned and caring society, should do anything about this biking foolishness? But maybe that's fodder for another thread.
Cheers, it's not too early for a
Allow me a little literary licence. Please.
. I withdraw that and proceed.Quote: As has been noted elsewhere, the conversation started around behaviour on public roads.
Not true. The conversation started about acceptance of fault, or responsibility if you wish, for our own choices. I did put "Rant" in the thread title and, knowingly, accept the consequences of a good rant. A hypothetical:
Despite regulation and signage a young lad runs wide and into the ARMCO. Does he say: "I took the wrong line. I froze. I didn't increase counter steering effort to attempt to change my bad line. I ran into the gravel. I collected the ARMCO. When I'm out of hospital I'm going to work on never doing that again."? No. He says (perhaps): "The rear tyre felt like it hit a bump. The rear wheel lost traction and the bike lowsided into the ARMCO." Hell and damnation, wasn't anyone driving that bike?
Another hypothetical: A car, without indication, suddenly does a u-turn and the rider, who is riding well within the law or reasonable expectations and despite best efforts, face plants it. Let the law, insurance companies or whoever sought out the detail, the fault if you wish. My point is that the rider would have been much better placed driving a Hummer and turning that car into a wafer. But if the rider chooses to swim in toothy waters then so be it. IT'S HIS CHOICE. Acceptance of risk and the consequences of that risk is required for an honest self analysis. The shark will never change it's ways. The way of the world I think it's called.
Some people find alcohol or cigarettes enjoyable but these pursuits lead to an increased death rate amongst participants and a huge cost to the public purse. Bit like biking really. Wonder if we, as a concerned and caring society, should do anything about this biking foolishness? But maybe that's fodder for another thread.
Cheers, it's not too early for a