The true beauty of this motorcycle. (another LONG read)

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Also to pdese's point as I understand it.. The marked thing means normal to the person doing the describing. As in his example describe a bird, ... Small, covered in feathers, some color, flys, eats worms would be his description of a bird. Yet a penguin is also a bird.. Useless wings, doesn't fly, no feathers, no color, swims eats fish. Yes the penguin is a bird, but it's not what comes to his mind when asked to describe a bird. You may get the exact opposite if you ask an inuit lol

His norm or marked thingy for a motorcycle is sit up, round headlight, flat seat, no plastic...like a CB1100, yet a lay down, crotch rocket, low bars, covered in plastic is also a motorcycle... But it is not the norm that he would describe to someone.

You know I was big into archery. My father was a bowyer and tought me the craft. One day in the early 70's I bought one of the new fangled compound bows with wheels and cables and brought it home. My dad took a look at it and said what is that? I replied its a bow. And he snorted in derision thats not a bow. Truth is it was, but it didn't resemble the graceful wood long bows my dad was used to making and shooting, therefore he didn't recognize it as such. CB vs Ninja

Just another way of saying bias's or preferences.

Yep!

Also to pdese's point as I understand it.. The marked thing means normal to the person doing the describing. As in his example describe a bird, ... Small, covered in feathers, some color, flys, eats worms would be his description of a bird. Yet a penguin is also a bird.. Useless wings, doesn't fly, no feathers, no color, swims eats fish. Yes the penguin is a bird, but it's not what comes to his mind when asked to describe a bird. You may get the exact opposite if you ask an inuit lol

His norm or marked thingy for a motorcycle is sit up, round headlight, flat seat, no plastic...like a CB1100, yet a lay down, crotch rocket, low bars, covered in plastic is also a motorcycle... But it is not the norm that he would describe to someone.

You know I was big into archery. My father was a bowyer and tought me the craft. One day in the early 70's I bought one of the new fangled compound bows with wheels and cables and brought it home. My dad took a look at it and said what is that? I replied its a bow. And he snorted in derision thats not a bow. Truth is it was, but it didn't resemble the graceful wood long bows my dad was used to making and shooting, therefore he didn't recognize it as such. CB vs Ninja

Just another way of saying bias's or preferences.

Kind of, I would suggest MT attempts at explaining why one would prefer this or that.

Also to pdese's point as I understand it.. The marked thing means normal to the person doing the describing. As in his example describe a bird, ... Small, covered in feathers, some color, flys, eats worms would be his description of a bird. Yet a penguin is also a bird.. Useless wings, doesn't fly, no feathers, no color, swims eats fish. Yes the penguin is a bird, but it's not what comes to his mind when asked to describe a bird. You may get the exact opposite if you ask an inuit lol

His norm or marked thingy for a motorcycle is sit up, round headlight, flat seat, no plastic...like a CB1100, yet a lay down, crotch rocket, low bars, covered in plastic is also a motorcycle... But it is not the norm that he would describe to someone.

You know I was big into archery. My father was a bowyer and tought me the craft. One day in the early 70's I bought one of the new fangled compound bows with wheels and cables and brought it home. My dad took a look at it and said what is that? I replied its a bow. And he snorted in derision thats not a bow. Truth is it was, but it didn't resemble the graceful wood long bows my dad was used to making and shooting, therefore he didn't recognize it as such. CB vs Ninja

Just another way of saying bias's or preferences.

My goodness, something, somewhere, has definitely frozen over. The Ferret and I are in complete agreement! It is the province of academia to over-analyze and over-complicate things.

I have to say that is extraordinarily ironic give that the Honda CB1100 (as we see in the posts to follow from the designer himself) was designed very specifically to be a motorcycle that most folks would readily take as a simple, standard, easy to ride, easy to look at vehicle. Nothing at all pedantic, theoretical, arcane, or steeped in jargon.

Just the essential elements of a motorcycle.

Ride, enjoy. Smell cherry blossoms. Repeat.

In society, markedness, by its own definition, is necessarily fluid. We each have our own first experiences at different times. Therefore, the CB's of the 1970's, which many of us identify as "real motorcycles," can never be identified as "real motorcycles" to a teen growing up today. His influence, his reference point, is contemporary. Instead, the plastic-shrouded, tail-in-the-air street fighter will be his "real motorcycle," and our beloved CB's will appear as relics. I suppose in the same way that I view a Vincent or early BMW with a heavy Earles fork as a relic.

Well-said. Actually I have no idea what in heck we're talking about any more, but I'll say my Z900R is parked next to my Street Cup. Both have two wheels and an engine.

Not only of academia, but yes...and then it's their job to make something practical out of the theory. In linguistics, markedness theory is behind good foreign language textbook design...what vocab and grammar should be presented first, then next, what can wait, what can't, etc. It's a very practical application for language teachers.

Also to pdese's point as I understand it.. The marked thing means normal to the person doing the describing. As in his example describe a bird, ... Small, covered in feathers, some color, flys, eats worms would be his description of a bird. Yet a penguin is also a bird.. Useless wings, doesn't fly, no feathers, no color, swims eats fish. Yes the penguin is a bird, but it's not what comes to his mind when asked to describe a bird. You may get the exact opposite if you ask an inuit lol

His norm or marked thingy for a motorcycle is sit up, round headlight, flat seat, no plastic...like a CB1100, yet a lay down, crotch rocket, low bars, covered in plastic is also a motorcycle... But it is not the norm that he would describe to someone.

You know I was big into archery. My father was a bowyer and tought me the craft. One day in the early 70's I bought one of the new fangled compound bows with wheels and cables and brought it home. My dad took a look at it and said what is that? I replied its a bow. And he snorted in derision thats not a bow. Truth is it was, but it didn't resemble the graceful wood long bows my dad was used to making and shooting, therefore he didn't recognize it as such. CB vs Ninja

Just another way of saying bias's or preferences.

My goodness, something, somewhere, has definitely frozen over. The Ferret and I are in complete agreement! It is the province of academia to over-analyze and over-complicate things.

I have to say that is extraordinarily ironic give that the Honda CB1100 (as we see in the posts to follow from the designer himself) was designed very specifically to be a motorcycle that most folks would readily take as a simple, standard, easy to ride, easy to look at vehicle. Nothing at all pedantic, theoretical, arcane, or steeped in jargon.

Just the essential elements of a motorcycle.

Ride, enjoy. Smell cherry blossoms. Repeat.

In society, markedness, by its own definition, is necessarily fluid. We each have our own first experiences at different times. Therefore, the CB's of the 1970's, which many of us identify as "real motorcycles," can never be identified as "real motorcycles" to a teen growing up today. His influence, his reference point, is contemporary. Instead, the plastic-shrouded, tail-in-the-air street fighter will be his "real motorcycle," and our beloved CB's will appear as relics. I suppose in the same way that I view a Vincent or early BMW with a heavy Earles fork as a relic.

Well-said. Actually I have no idea what in heck we're talking about any more, but I'll say my Z900R is parked next to my Street Cup. Both have two wheels and an engine.

I added the boldface...hmmmm, we diverge here. I would argue that there's a large number of folks that do not think of the CB1100 as simple, easy to ride, easy to look at--that's why they didn't sell a large number of them. So markedness theory might have been used (consciously or not) by marketers and sales people to exclaim "whoa, we're gonna export how many '14 Standard CB1100s to the U.S? Are we sure about that number? Maybe we should export more of the '14 DLX because they are more in line with what our target audience wants." Hind sight, I know, but I could see two guys arguing which version would sell more: "everybody's buying blacked out bikes, man" vs. "you're crazy, they want the DLX because it looks 'more standard / nostalgic' and THAT'S the group we're trying to reach!"

Fun to talk about : )

Most definitely!