01-08-2018, 03:21 AM
(01-08-2018, 12:51 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: Also to pdese's point as I understand it.. The marked thing means normal to the person doing the describing. As in his example describe a bird, ... Small, covered in feathers, some color, flys, eats worms would be his description of a bird. Yet a penguin is also a bird.. Useless wings, doesn't fly, no feathers, no color, swims eats fish. Yes the penguin is a bird, but it's not what comes to his mind when asked to describe a bird. You may get the exact opposite if you ask an inuit lolMy goodness, something, somewhere, has definitely frozen over. The Ferret and I are in complete agreement! It is the province of academia to over-analyze and over-complicate things.
His norm or marked thingy for a motorcycle is sit up, round headlight, flat seat, no plastic...like a CB1100, yet a lay down, crotch rocket, low bars, covered in plastic is also a motorcycle... But it is not the norm that he would describe to someone.
You know I was big into archery. My father was a bowyer and tought me the craft. One day in the early 70's I bought one of the new fangled compound bows with wheels and cables and brought it home. My dad took a look at it and said what is that? I replied its a bow. And he snorted in derision thats not a bow. Truth is it was, but it didn't resemble the graceful wood long bows my dad was used to making and shooting, therefore he didn't recognize it as such. CB vs Ninja
Just another way of saying bias's or preferences.
I have to say that is extraordinarily ironic give that the Honda CB1100 (as we see in the posts to follow from the designer himself) was designed very specifically to be a motorcycle that most folks would readily take as a simple, standard, easy to ride, easy to look at vehicle. Nothing at all pedantic, theoretical, arcane, or steeped in jargon.
Just the essential elements of a motorcycle.
Ride, enjoy. Smell cherry blossoms. Repeat.
(01-08-2018, 01:49 AM)LongRanger_imp Wrote: In society, markedness, by its own definition, is necessarily fluid. We each have our own first experiences at different times. Therefore, the CB's of the 1970's, which many of us identify as "real motorcycles," can never be identified as "real motorcycles" to a teen growing up today. His influence, his reference point, is contemporary. Instead, the plastic-shrouded, tail-in-the-air street fighter will be his "real motorcycle," and our beloved CB's will appear as relics. I suppose in the same way that I view a Vincent or early BMW with a heavy Earles fork as a relic.Well-said. Actually I have no idea what in heck we're talking about any more, but I'll say my Z900R is parked next to my Street Cup. Both have two wheels and an engine.