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[AzBob_imp]

As I mentioned, it's simply off-idle/low RPM fueling combined with a high-power motor that can put you on the ground. Slipping the clutch gives _ME_ control over how much power is getting to the rear wheel. The automatic transmission decides that for me. At low speed, it could be entirely too much power for conditions. As I previously stated, I know of at least one person who had a low-speed low-side because of this.

In an automobile, if you have too much power, the wheels spin, who cares (assuming no traction control). On a bike, that's a disaster.

This is not an argument from some Luddite about how new technology is bad simply because it is new. I am talking about a specific instance in which this technology is not better than the existing technology, and, IMO, worse.

Automatics on bikes are not the same as automatics on cars. On bikes, they take away the ability to perform certain maneuvers safely, such as slow speed turns, u-turns, etc., especially on higher horsepower bikes. Slipping the clutch is an important part of riding a motorcycle well.

Ah - Automatic adds weight is the only drawback, the VFR1200 DCT you can shift up and down like F1 racing car or fully automatic. It however doesn't catch up yet, not a good seller so Honda gingerly test out the water. Manual is fine until one ride an automatic. I bet in a decade or so 50% of bikes are automatic.

Ah - Automatic adds weight is the only drawback, the VFR1200 DCT you can shift up and down like F1 racing car or fully automatic. It however doesn't catch up yet, not a good seller so Honda gingerly test out the water. Manual is fine until one ride an automatic. I bet in a decade or so 50% of bikes are automatic.
Sooo... you totally discount the drawbacks I mentioned? Riding a high horsepower bike with an automatic (such as the VFR) in the rain without traction control would not be something I would want to do. I read about a guy who had a low-side with his FJR because of that very thing (wet street, making a turn from a light, spun up the rear wheel, down he went). Throttle fidelity at low engine RPM's isn't that great on most bikes.

For parking lot maneuvers, nothing beats being able to slip the clutch. Even traction control is not your friend in that situation, because loss of power could drop you into a tight turn, even if the rear wheel doesn't spin, especially on a heavier bike.

Ah - Automatic adds weight is the only drawback, the VFR1200 DCT you can shift up and down like F1 racing car or fully automatic. It however doesn't catch up yet, not a good seller so Honda gingerly test out the water. Manual is fine until one ride an automatic. I bet in a decade or so 50% of bikes are automatic.
Sooo... you totally discount the drawbacks I mentioned? Riding a high horsepower bike with an automatic (such as the VFR) in the rain without traction control would not be something I would want to do. I read about a guy who had a low-side with his FJR because of that very thing (wet street, making a turn from a light, spun up the rear wheel, down he went). Throttle fidelity at low engine RPM's isn't that great on most bikes.

For parking lot maneuvers, nothing beats being able to slip the clutch. Even traction control is not your friend in that situation, because loss of power could drop you into a tight turn, even if the rear wheel doesn't spin, especially on a heavier bike.
VFR1200 owners don't complain about things you said. They are owners. Automatic has many things to desire: on green light, many cars / SUVs pulled away from me naturally. My bike HP/weight ration is 80/700 (including me) typical SUVs: 220/4000, then how come most pull away from me from red light? it is due to automatic transmission. I learn to shift from 1 to 2, if too much gas, it lurches during transition.

Not to be mean or anything, but this is simply lack of skill on your part. Learn to launch your bike from a standing start if you desire this ability. It's not that hard and doesn't require a completely different transmission.