07-02-2019, 12:38 PM
(07-02-2019, 05:13 AM)m in sc_imp Wrote: Not true. The used HDs are NOT worth 80% of what you paid for them. its not 2010 anymore, those days are long gone. maybe you can sell them in arizona to the older demographic, but you kinda cant give them away in some places.
https://www.nadaguides.com/Motorcycles/2...4cc/Values
theres a BIN on ebay, same model year for 11k. Numbers dont lie. Look most of them up, you'll see the same thing. Also what they actually sold for, asking price doesnt mean squat. But, to be honest, they are probably the best used value out there.
id venture the honda v twins of 30 years ago were better, or any aprilia v-twin of the mille lineage. Or any suzuki sv based one... I could go on.
Gentlemen,
First, I didn't say used H-D's are worth 80% of what you paid for them. I said my 1998 H-D Fuel Injected Road Glide Classic is worth about 80% of what I paid for it. I paid about $12,500 brand new. The bike has a little over 6000 miles on it and it's flawless. If you saw a BIN price of 11K on Ebay that's more than 80% but that price is probably wildly optimistic. unless the bike is literally brand new. But you're missing the point, what I'm saying is that H-D bikes have much better resale values than other makes. And as you say, numbers don't lie, H-D resale is leagues better than Aprilla or Honda V-Twins or Suzuki SV. That's not arguable and it's not even close. And again, I like all of those makes, but their resale is terrible.
And as to Ducati V-Twins being more highly developed than H-D V-Twins, ah.....no. I've been a Ducati owner for the last 25 years as is my son. The bikes are beautiful, interesting, and maintenance nightmares. Ducati's are like young hookers, you better like the ride because you're gonna have to put up with some problems. And I've never owned a Duck that didn't have persistent problems. I've been chasing computer problems in my 796 since it was new. Two dealers have told me they don't know how to fix it, they can't figure it out. But then again, H-D probably spends more money on R&D in a week than Ducati spends in a year. My last 4 new Harley Davidsons have not required a single warranty repair.
But hey, I'm not going to change anybodies mind here. I didn't buy my CB1100 because it's got the greatest tech or the best resale. I bought it because of the way it makes me feel and I like it's air cooled low tech vibe. When I buy my next H-D it will be a brand new Electra Glide without the water cooled heads. Heck, I just spent 20K more than the cost of a new 911 to buy a 27 year old used air-cooled 911 that's much lower tech, has 40% less horsepower and no warranty. That history, passion, and who knows what other intangibles that some here deride H-D for are the very things that drive desire for and resale values of those Milwaukee bikes and Stuttgart air cooled cars. If the latest tech is what you desire, it quickly becomes worthless as better tech replaces it.
I just don't see or feel the need to say that any bike or car maker, especially American makers, have been stupid or neglectful as regards R&D so they deserve to or probably will go bankrupt. They are all spending a TON of money on R&D and that's a fact. They might not all make it but every time we lose one, even if it's not your brand, we are all poorer for it. At least, that's my take on it.
Chip