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 Ducati (ex) owners?
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well, they can do everything here to find potential customers Smile

in Belgium we have 2 kind of taxes for vehicles that enter traffic.
Every vehicul that enters traffic, newly bought or second hand has to pay a one time tax, BIV.

The amount of that tax is determinted by the age of the vehicle and the horsepower, the Belgian government basically punishes powerfull cars/motorcycles...thats why you dont see a lot of V8's with big hp figures here....

Manufactures know this, and offer their powerful bikes also in a downgraded version, mostly around the magical 100hp border.
In this case it would cost me around 110 euro.
My CB cost about 61 euro.

If I would buy it with its 160hp new it would cost me 1.234 euro Smile
The same bike but between 3 and 2 years old would cost me a little less, 991 euro
Between 1 and 2 years would be 1.115 euro.

As you see, the difference is night and day, 10 times more expensive to introduce a 160hp bike or a 100 hp bike, that 50 hp difference translates in a fiscal punishment.

In France it wasn't even allowed to sell motorcycles above 100hp....all motorcycles were 100hp max.
Imagine you dreamed of a R1 or a Vmax etc....it wasn't cool to be French....
But they abandoned that rule last year.

But it must be said, its common practise to buy a 100hp bike on paper to benefit the beneficial fiscal refime and to go to the dealers afterwards to put it back to full factory power Wink

Legal or not, it only could become an issue here in case of a serious accident that requires an investigation.
Consequences will more likely be found in insurance than in legal aspects.
So, in worst case scenarios, your insurance company would't pay for damages.

As I said, its common practise and normal to do it.
For example the dealer just did it on my request, without questions or any comment.
On 2nd hand sites you'll even see many powerfull bikes described as 100hp on paper but full power at the crank, stating as 'fiscally interesting'.
Taxes and Belgians, its a funny combination Smile

The 2014 red Multistrada above, was such an example.
100hp papers, full power in reality, stated as such in his add Smile
https://www.2dehands.be/motoren/motoren/...31708.html
Did I mention he is a Motorcycle cop...Wink
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 Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 08-21-2016, 12:04 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by the Ferret - 08-21-2016, 06:31 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 08-21-2016, 07:05 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by redbirds_imp - 08-21-2016, 10:15 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by the Ferret - 08-21-2016, 11:35 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by LongRanger_imp - 08-21-2016, 12:16 PM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Ulvetanna_imp - 08-21-2016, 02:50 PM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Chapomis_imp - 08-21-2016, 07:53 PM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 08-22-2016, 12:27 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Ulvetanna_imp - 08-22-2016, 01:03 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 08-22-2016, 01:20 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Ulvetanna_imp - 08-22-2016, 01:50 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 08-22-2016, 01:54 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by LongRanger_imp - 08-22-2016, 02:26 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 08-22-2016, 03:37 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by LongRanger_imp - 08-22-2016, 03:59 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Papa Weeley_imp - 08-25-2016, 03:38 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Ulvetanna_imp - 08-25-2016, 04:59 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by the Ferret - 08-25-2016, 06:12 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Papa Weeley_imp - 08-25-2016, 06:37 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Capo_imp - 08-25-2016, 06:58 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Cormanus - 08-25-2016, 07:41 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by the Ferret - 08-25-2016, 08:14 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Papa Weeley_imp - 08-25-2016, 09:03 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Ulvetanna_imp - 08-25-2016, 09:38 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Rboe_imp - 08-25-2016, 01:19 PM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Papa Weeley_imp - 08-26-2016, 02:40 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by the Ferret - 08-26-2016, 03:38 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Papa Weeley_imp - 08-26-2016, 03:44 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 08-26-2016, 07:27 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Ulvetanna_imp - 08-26-2016, 07:49 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Rboe_imp - 08-26-2016, 09:17 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by the Ferret - 08-26-2016, 10:00 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Rboe_imp - 08-26-2016, 02:16 PM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by LongRanger_imp - 08-26-2016, 02:38 PM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Rboe_imp - 08-27-2016, 05:18 AM
Ducati (ex) owners? - by sharkey_imp - 08-27-2016, 08:15 PM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Cormanus - 09-06-2016, 03:50 PM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by curlyjoe_imp - 09-12-2016, 11:23 PM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by wildezt_imp - 09-13-2016, 07:39 AM
 RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 10-01-2016, 04:38 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by the Ferret - 10-01-2016, 04:44 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 04-02-2017, 05:25 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by LongRanger_imp - 04-02-2017, 07:18 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 04-07-2017, 07:28 PM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by curlyjoe_imp - 04-07-2017, 08:25 PM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 04-12-2017, 03:13 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 04-15-2017, 07:44 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by the Ferret - 04-15-2017, 08:02 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 04-15-2017, 08:09 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by the Ferret - 04-15-2017, 08:14 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 04-15-2017, 08:26 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 04-27-2017, 12:12 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by the Ferret - 04-27-2017, 12:24 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 04-27-2017, 12:54 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 05-09-2017, 02:40 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by the Ferret - 05-09-2017, 03:10 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 05-09-2017, 03:53 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by the Ferret - 05-09-2017, 06:30 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 05-27-2017, 10:00 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by R748_imp - 05-28-2017, 04:19 PM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 05-29-2017, 01:27 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 06-03-2017, 07:26 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 06-10-2017, 05:39 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 06-17-2017, 08:01 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by the Ferret - 06-17-2017, 08:32 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by emullick_imp - 06-24-2017, 03:51 AM
 RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 06-30-2017, 06:24 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 07-01-2017, 04:52 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by the Ferret - 07-01-2017, 05:17 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 07-01-2017, 05:29 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by the Ferret - 07-01-2017, 05:58 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 07-01-2017, 06:39 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Cormanus - 07-01-2017, 09:17 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 07-01-2017, 03:46 PM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 07-08-2017, 08:02 PM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 07-25-2017, 06:29 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by the Ferret - 07-25-2017, 08:16 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 07-25-2017, 08:44 AM
 RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 11-17-2018, 06:52 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Houtman_imp - 11-17-2018, 07:27 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by peterbaron - 11-17-2018, 07:47 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 11-17-2018, 07:50 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 11-19-2018, 02:51 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by the Ferret - 11-19-2018, 05:14 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by peterbaron - 11-19-2018, 07:21 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by GoldOxide_imp - 11-19-2018, 12:27 PM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 11-20-2018, 01:56 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by GoldOxide_imp - 11-20-2018, 12:35 PM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 11-24-2018, 04:18 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 11-24-2018, 05:02 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by peterbaron - 11-28-2018, 10:19 AM
RE: Ducati (ex) owners? - by Riko_imp - 12-19-2018, 04:21 AM

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