Open Face Crash

[HikerToo_imp]

For road bicycling, which I just dabble at this season, I switch between medium size roads with full shoulders( and I still stay to the far right on the should) with danger of 60 MPH cars swerving into me, or really remote/small back roads with hardly any cars, but when one does come along, its harder for them to get by. For years I was doing more off-road than street riding.
My bicycle riding has went way down since I bought the CB, now when I have an extra hour before or after dinner, I usually ride the CB, I get less sweaty on it :-)

[Cormanus]

Do it, Tortuga. Have photos taken so we can gaze admiringly on your style. Just don't fall off while you're wearing it and keep your gob shut so the bugs don't fly in. Wear old fashioned aviator goggles to keep the little things out of your eyes too. And have a visor for when you get caught in the rain!

[AzBob_imp]

I won't get involved in arguments about mandatory safety equipment....but that said, having just read the anti-hi-viz article linked in a previous post, I'm a bit disgusted. I mean, I'm all for personal freedom/responsibility, but in a world where drivers often "never even see" the motorcyclists they kill, I find arguments against hi-viz from a safety standpoint pretty ludicrous.

The proof that it works is right there before your own eyes.

I was driving a car the other day when I saw a BMW rider waiting at an intersection further up the road. He was wearing a bright yellow hi-viz jacket. I'd wager I saw him literally hundreds of yards earlier than I would have otherwise, and continued to be aware of his presence. How can that possibly be a bad thing for the motorcyclist?

When I myself have worn a high-viz vest, it's been very obvious to me that drivers have given me more room. Is that a bad thing?

As to this guy's contention that motorcyclists are apt to become more reckless if they wear hi-viz--i.e., the "transfer of responsibility" argument--I seriously doubt it. You could argue against any safety device of any kind on that basis! I mean, have riders really become more reckless since they started wearing helmets?

I may ride like I'm invisible, but that doesn't mean I actually want to be invisible!

But I think what bugs me about the article more than anything is this: He's telling people not to adopt safety equipment that may well save their lives one day because--get this--as more of them do, the greater the odds it'll end up becoming the law for everyone. What a selfish, dishonest argument! His personal whims force him to argue that hi-vis is useless--something I'll bet he doesn't actually believe--so that he can then argue against people wearing it.

But it's a counterproductive argument, at least with me. After reading it, I wanted to go out and buy some more high-vis gear just to spite the guy.

That anti-hi-viz guy is a complete idiot.

Who posted saying they were against hi-viz vests?

I like the study that was posted, I was unaware of any prior to that. Anecdotal mentions of cagers supposedly giving pause when we ride with different eq or whatever is just that, anecdotal, and highly subject to confirmation bias.

While it may be "lame," I kinda liked the picture of the vest made to look like the police vest. Our cops don't wear hi-viz vests, though. People here don't even turn their heads to look before changing lanes, so I wonder how much being more conspicuous can help. Like I said, it can't hurt.

Does anyone know of a hi-viz vest that flows bunches of air? Most that I've seen are some kind of polyester/plastic that blocks all wind, which would basically kill me in the heat. The leather jacket is bad enough by itself.

[ThomWill_imp]

AzBob... Look at runner's hi-viz vests. Back when I was a semi-serious runner I had a lightweight reflective job that said "Run Happy" on it.

[Firstfour_imp]

I won't get involved in arguments about mandatory safety equipment....but that said, having just read the anti-hi-viz article linked in a previous post, I'm a bit disgusted. I mean, I'm all for personal freedom/responsibility, but in a world where drivers often "never even see" the motorcyclists they kill, I find arguments against hi-viz from a safety standpoint pretty ludicrous.

The proof that it works is right there before your own eyes.

I was driving a car the other day when I saw a BMW rider waiting at an intersection further up the road. He was wearing a bright yellow hi-viz jacket. I'd wager I saw him literally hundreds of yards earlier than I would have otherwise, and continued to be aware of his presence. How can that possibly be a bad thing for the motorcyclist?

When I myself have worn a high-viz vest, it's been very obvious to me that drivers have given me more room. Is that a bad thing?

As to this guy's contention that motorcyclists are apt to become more reckless if they wear hi-viz--i.e., the "transfer of responsibility" argument--I seriously doubt it. You could argue against any safety device of any kind on that basis! I mean, have riders really become more reckless since they started wearing helmets?

I may ride like I'm invisible, but that doesn't mean I actually want to be invisible!

But I think what bugs me about the article more than anything is this: He's telling people not to adopt safety equipment that may well save their lives one day because--get this--as more of them do, the greater the odds it'll end up becoming the law for everyone. What a selfish, dishonest argument! His personal whims force him to argue that hi-vis is useless--something I'll bet he doesn't actually believe--so that he can then argue against people wearing it.

But it's a counterproductive argument, at least with me. After reading it, I wanted to go out and buy some more high-vis gear just to spite the guy.

That anti-hi-viz guy is a complete idiot.

Who posted saying they were against hi-viz vests?

I like the study that was posted, I was unaware of any prior to that. Anecdotal mentions of cagers supposedly giving pause when we ride with different eq or whatever is just that, anecdotal, and highly subject to confirmation bias.

While it may be "lame," I kinda liked the picture of the vest made to look like the police vest. Our cops don't wear hi-viz vests, though. People here don't even turn their heads to look before changing lanes, so I wonder how much being more conspicuous can help. Like I said, it can't hurt.

Does anyone know of a hi-viz vest that flows bunches of air? Most that I've seen are some kind of polyester/plastic that blocks all wind, which would basically kill me in the heat. The leather jacket is bad enough by itself.

Who posted saying they were against hi-viz vests?
This guy: http://www.visordown.com/features/discus...z2t3Tdh0rD

[the Ferret]

My vest is perforated with zillions of little air holes and is very light weight, is not only Hi Viz but has white reflective stripes for night riding and orange reflective stripes. It is the latest in safety gear for Hiway Safety Products for municipalities.

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[Pterodactyl_imp]

Here is a photo of my open face:

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Last time I wore it I was told, by the forces of law and order in their never ending quest to rid the streets of criminal activity and keep the populace safe, that helmet integrity was degraded by stickers. If I face plant a concrete truck I will then confirm or deny that assertion. Don't get me started on the legislation of compulsory wearing of hi-viz clothing. A safer outcome would be guaranteed by compulsory fitting of at least two more wheels and some form of cage device to all motor cycles. Maybe even seat belts and crash bags. Don't tell the Chardonnay slurpers, they might think I'm serious . Stop me, this is an "open face" thread.

Cheers

[the Ferret]

Degraded by stickers? That's a new one. What about the manufacturers stickers HJC, Bell, DOT, Snell, Helmet model?

[Elipten_imp]

Some adhesives degrade the strength of the material used to construct the helmet.


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[Pterodactyl_imp]

Some adhesives degrade the strength of the material used to construct the helmet.


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Mate, you are quite correct. I guess I was born to be bad.

Cheers