when are these bikes actually out of gas??

[activedirt_imp]

This last time I filled up I had some strange behavior out of my digital display. I found myself on a country road with no gas stations while knowing the distance to return to the last gas station was greater that what I had gas for, so I pressed on. The last rectangle on the gas meter was flashing but then the trip A mileage changed. It had, of course, been displaying the total miles since trip A had been reset, but as I got closer to running out of gas the mileage went from something like 150 down to 38.

I pulled off to see if I could use my cell phone to locate the nearest station. When I restart my trip this number then changed to 45. At some point this number change to ____ (underscores). I did find a station in time. Once I started going again after filling up the trip odometer returned to working as expected.

Active... At some predetermined by Honda point, the guauge will go into count down mode with the amout of miles you have left to empty. This ususa
Ly starts at about 55 miles or thereabouts. Then inexplicably it will go to total miles on odometer. Then back to counting down the miles and so forth and then back to odometer. The counting down miles can be affected by how fast you are going. The slower you are going amd therefore the less fuel you are using, the further you can go on that fuel. If you switch modes to A or B it kind of messes this whole system up in my experience so just go with the flow. You can switch modes once you get gas.

At any rate I have taken my countdown mode into the teens and still had 1/2 gal of gas left over.

Between the pessimistic guage, having the odometer show up in the middle of count down is rather strange but it is what it is, and you just have to ride enough until you get used to the bikes fuel gauge idiosycracies so that you don't panic when things don't read what you'd expect them to.

Clear as mud?

Thank you for the clarification. I had guessed it must be something like what you detailed above but was uncertain. This forum with its helpful members gives me a sense that I am not in this alone. It is like a group of virtual biking buddies. My wife kids me about how much time I spend looking at it. I think she is a tad jellous of the CB and all that goes with it.

[the Ferret]

I just put up an explanantion according to Honda on another thread In Mechanical and Technical

http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7019

[CB4ME_imp]

Most I've filled my 2013 tank is 3.3 gallons, and I was worried I would run out a good 10 miles before then.

[flynrider]

The most I've been able to squeeze in was 3.6 gallons after running for 25 miles with the gauge flashing.

More typically I will pull into a gas station a few miles after it starts flashing and it usually takes 2.9 gallons.

[jeffskar_imp]

So is the tank supposed to "hold" 4 gallons, or are you only able to get at 4 of those gallons?

[the Ferret]

Jeff capacity for the 2013 and 14 stds is 3.9 US gals and for the 14 dlx 4.6 US gals according to the spec sheet, but no member has ever run one dry and then measured how much it took to fill as far as I know.

[pwh421_imp]

Jeff capacity for the 2013 and 14 stds is 3.9 US gals and for the 14 dlx 4.6 US gals according to the spec sheet, but no member has ever run one dry and then measured how much it took to fill as far as I know.

3.9..

That is my only massive pet peeve with the bike.. WTF kind of decision making goes into a 3.9 gallon tank? I get that it's 15 liters..

But c'mon.. it's a zippo lighter worth of fuel..

meh... They all should have the DLX size tank..

[the Ferret]

Length between headstock and seat determined length, design criteria to see motor on both sides when sitting on bike determined width, only other option for increasing capacity is making tank taller, which they did on the dlx, and most of the early adopters thought that made the tank look bloated.

The price you pay for sporting looks.

[pwh421_imp]

Length between headstock and seat determined length, design criteria to see motor on both sides when sitting on bike determined width, only other option for increasing capacity is making tank taller, which they did on the dlx, and most of the early adopters thought that made the tank look bloated.

The price you pay for sporting looks.

See that is when you can tell that even honda (or maybe especially Honda) lets marketing, rather than riders, make too many decisions..

oh well..

Back to "I ran out of gas because..." stories..

[Pterodactyl_imp]

Length between headstock and seat determined length, design criteria to see motor on both sides when sitting on bike determined width, only other option for increasing capacity is making tank taller, which they did on the dlx, and most of the early adopters thought that made the tank look bloated.

The price you pay for sporting looks.

See that is when you can tell that even honda (or maybe especially Honda) lets marketing, rather than riders, make too many decisions..

oh well..

Back to "I ran out of gas because..." stories..

The riders make decisions? Good idea. This forum should set up a working committee to decide which riders and how the riders will make the decisions required. Some suggestions:

1. Group decision-making
Consensus decision-making tries to avoid "winners" and "losers". Consensus requires that a majority approve a given course of action, but that the minority agree to go along with the course of action. In other words, if the minority opposes the course of action, consensus requires that the course of action be modified to remove objectionable features.

2. Voting-based methods:
a). Majority requires support from more than 50% of the members of the group. Thus, the bar for action is lower than with consensus.
Plurality, where the largest block in a group decides, even if it falls short of a majority.
B). Range voting lets each member score one or more of the available options. The option with the highest average is chosen. This method has experimentally been shown to produce the lowest Bayesian regret among common voting methods, even when voters are strategic.

3. Delphi method is structured communication technique for groups, originally developed for collaborative forecasting but has also been used for policy making.

4. Dotmocracy is a facilitation method that relies on the use of special forms called Dotmocracy Sheets to allow large groups to collectively brainstorm and recognize agreement on an unlimited number of ideas they have authored.

5. Participative decision-making occurs when an authority opens up the decision-making process to a group of people for a collaborative effort.

6. Decision engineering uses a visual map of the decision-making process based on system dynamics and can be automated through a decision modeling tool, integrating big data, machine learning, and expert knowledge as appropriate.

Once the riders have sorted that out perhaps then a Steering committee should be selected by the riders. Who sits on that committee could be determined by one of the above methods. That steering committee could perhaps select and assign groups of riders to various sub-assemblies of the bike to determine the form these sub-assemblies should take. Review committees would then review these decisions and submit further recommendations to independent consultants for their recommendations on the aforementioned recommendations. These recommendations would need to be costed. A Finance Committee, selected by riders, would take the matter in hand and bring down recommendations for review by the working committee. The working committee would then review, revise and develop working papers for the general riding population for consultative purposes. Feedback from the riding population would need to be reviewed by another independent committee who would then take their recommendations to the first mentioned steering committee.

I realise that this is simplifying what in practice would be a much more complex process but it would be worth a try.

Cheers.