Will the CB1100 be the last of it's kind in America?

[lemontree_imp]

Lemontree,

Our very own member Ack took his RnineT and pretty much made into a scrambler. Maybe BMW used his as inspiration?

sorry to hijack the thread but this interests me very much! Do you have a link or photo of his ride?

[Lord Popgun]

Try this thread: http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3461

His user name is Ack-CB11

PM him. Ack is a really nice guy. He had a CB and traded it on his R9T. He checks in here on a regular basis. He likes to mod the bike to what he wants.

[ChipBeck_imp]

FYI BMW has announced the Scrambler
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-b...is-coming/

Honda and BMW both detune air cooled motors as a way to keep in compliance, which is one reason the CB1100 engine is only 9.5:1 compression @ 85 BHP.

Honda will continue to make the CB1100 model so long as it's profitable. Many dealers don't know how to sell them.

Air-cooled engines remain on current model of HD's, H's K's, Y's, S's, and will not die off any faster than water-cooled.

The genuine challenge to all motorcycle manufacturers of internal combustion engines remains electricity.

For example, http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/

Despite BMW not scoring very well in the recent Consumers Report article, unit sales are up about 16% YOY.

BMW is becoming an image brand (more than it already had been) and rich-man's goods.

It's dangerous to step into politics on such a board as this one, but politics touches us on many levels. For whatever reason, the income of Yuppie-Bankers has just TAKEN OFF. They suddenly have more money than they'd ever dreamed of; and so all the toys that a thirty-something paper-pusher might want - BMW motorcycles; BMW cars; Harley-Davidson motorcycles, Aspen ski lodges, racing boats...those are all selling well.

Honda is not seeing that. Honda does not have, never tried to have, the cachet that H-D and BMW now have. Honda is quality but Honda has always let its quality speak for itself. BMW has cultivated ITS image, quietly, of Germanic engineering and quality...some of which was deserved, some of which no longer is. And we know what H-D sells.

I don't think Honda's corporate aiming was flawed; but they seem to be in the right-place/wrong-time mode.

Just,

You appear to be a genuine enthusiast and you hail from my favorite state. But I would love to go for a ride with you and let you spend a couple hours riding my Harley Davidson in the Bitterroot mountains.

You have made this board aware of your "vicerial hatred for Harley Davidson" and reference their bikes as outdated technology. That's just not the case and those of us that have owned them for decades keep buying them because of how well they work.

My 1998 Road King is now 17 years old and it's fuel injected engine starts instantly even after sitting for 6 months! My newer carbureted Hondas require a carb rebuild before they will start if they sit. That H-D runs flawlessly from sea level to 9000 feet as it adjusts its own mixture to compensate for altitude. It's never leaked a drop of oil or required a repair other than maintenance. It's paint, fit, and finish are world standards that other makers aspire to. But the best thing about HD is how they feel. A high torque lope at idle and glass smooth at freeway speeds. I can ride 8 hours a day at 85 mph on that Road King with a passenger and bags.

Add in the best resale, an unrivaled dealer network with tons of great techs, excellent parts availability, and unbelievable aftermarket support and they are hard to beat.

We all bought a CB1100 because it has throwback air cooling and vintage styling but the bike itself is modern in invisible ways with fuel injection, electronic ignition, ABS on some models, and computer engine controls. That is exactly what HD has done. They have modern water cooled bikes like the V-Rod, 500, and Street 750. But most HD buyers are like you and me. They like the older style air cooled models.

We all gripe about the lack of color options on the CB. HD has multiple color options on every model. When I got out of college in 1978 and AMF still owned HD they were on a death watch. Under private ownership they got their act together and modernized everything. Quality was job #1 and 20 years later they sold (and still do) more street legal motorcycles in the US than all the Japanese makers combined.

A lot of kids run loud exhausts on their Jap sport bikes and they are as objectional at the very small percentage of HD riders who run loud pipes. The most obnoxious sounding bikes are metric V twin cruisers with open pipes.

And is dressing up like a pirate and riding a HD any more ridiculous that dressing up like a Power Ranger and riding a Honda? 99% of HD riders are really nice people as are Honda riders. I've never had a HD rider say anything about my CB that wasn't a compliment.

The aerodynamics and technology in the new Street Glide are best in class. The Honda Gold Wing is as good but it's just not as much fun to ride and IMO Gold Wing riders aren't as much fun either.

In any event, if I ride to Montana sometime it will be on a HD as it's just more comfortable at high speeds for long durations than the Honda. And I honestly believe that if we trade bikes for a couple hours you may not want to buy a Harley, but you'll certainly be impressed by how good it is in every way. Cheers bro.

Chip

[PowderToastMan_imp]

I personally hope that the retro bike market will keep its place carved out here.
I'm not picky about the air cooled thing, I would be perfectly happy with something liquid cooled, but would love to always have the option to have a really basic naked bike (assuming the CB doesn't outlast me and I some day have to be in the market for another bike). Something along the lines of the 919 would be fine with me, or that CB1300 that a few of us are drooling over but will probably never get. Aesthetically I really don't like the looks of the CB1000R or the current Z1000 very well at all. Though, I suppose that if you have cash for customization, you could strip one of those down and get a basic retro-ish look out of it just as well.

The Triumph Bonnevilles probably won't die out for a very long time so hopefully one of the Japanese makers will always have an eye on competing in that segment one way or another!
At the end of the day, though, I suppose I would cave in and be happy just to have two wheels and an engine that function in a comfortable way for me, and could maybe get past the looks if I really had to.

[JustPassinThru_imp]

FYI BMW has announced the Scrambler
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-b...is-coming/

Honda and BMW both detune air cooled motors as a way to keep in compliance, which is one reason the CB1100 engine is only 9.5:1 compression @ 85 BHP.

Honda will continue to make the CB1100 model so long as it's profitable. Many dealers don't know how to sell them.

Air-cooled engines remain on current model of HD's, H's K's, Y's, S's, and will not die off any faster than water-cooled.

The genuine challenge to all motorcycle manufacturers of internal combustion engines remains electricity.

For example, http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/

Despite BMW not scoring very well in the recent Consumers Report article, unit sales are up about 16% YOY.

BMW is becoming an image brand (more than it already had been) and rich-man's goods.

It's dangerous to step into politics on such a board as this one, but politics touches us on many levels. For whatever reason, the income of Yuppie-Bankers has just TAKEN OFF. They suddenly have more money than they'd ever dreamed of; and so all the toys that a thirty-something paper-pusher might want - BMW motorcycles; BMW cars; Harley-Davidson motorcycles, Aspen ski lodges, racing boats...those are all selling well.

Honda is not seeing that. Honda does not have, never tried to have, the cachet that H-D and BMW now have. Honda is quality but Honda has always let its quality speak for itself. BMW has cultivated ITS image, quietly, of Germanic engineering and quality...some of which was deserved, some of which no longer is. And we know what H-D sells.

I don't think Honda's corporate aiming was flawed; but they seem to be in the right-place/wrong-time mode.

Just,

You appear to be a genuine enthusiast and you hail from my favorite state. But I would love to go for a ride with you and let you spend a couple hours riding my Harley Davidson in the Bitterroot mountains.

You have made this board aware of your "vicerial hatred for Harley Davidson" and reference their bikes as outdated technology. That's just not the case and those of us that have owned them for decades keep buying them because of how well they work.

My 1998 Road King is now 17 years old and it's fuel injected engine starts instantly even after sitting for 6 months! My newer carbureted Hondas require a carb rebuild before they will start if they sit. That H-D runs flawlessly from sea level to 9000 feet as it adjusts its own mixture to compensate for altitude. It's never leaked a drop of oil or required a repair other than maintenance. It's paint, fit, and finish are world standards that other makers aspire to. But the best thing about HD is how they feel. A high torque lope at idle and glass smooth at freeway speeds. I can ride 8 hours a day at 85 mph on that Road King with a passenger and bags.

Add in the best resale, an unrivaled dealer network with tons of great techs, excellent parts availability, and unbelievable aftermarket support and they are hard to beat.

We all bought a CB1100 because it has throwback air cooling and vintage styling but the bike itself is modern in invisible ways with fuel injection, electronic ignition, ABS on some models, and computer engine controls. That is exactly what HD has done. They have modern water cooled bikes like the V-Rod, 500, and Street 750. But most HD buyers are like you and me. They like the older style air cooled models.

We all gripe about the lack of color options on the CB. HD has multiple color options on every model. When I got out of college in 1978 and AMF still owned HD they were on a death watch. Under private ownership they got their act together and modernized everything. Quality was job #1 and 20 years later they sold (and still do) more street legal motorcycles in the US than all the Japanese makers combined.

A lot of kids run loud exhausts on their Jap sport bikes and they are as objectional at the very small percentage of HD riders who run loud pipes. The most obnoxious sounding bikes are metric V twin cruisers with open pipes.

And is dressing up like a pirate and riding a HD any more ridiculous that dressing up like a Power Ranger and riding a Honda? 99% of HD riders are really nice people as are Honda riders. I've never had a HD rider say anything about my CB that wasn't a compliment.

The aerodynamics and technology in the new Street Glide are best in class. The Honda Gold Wing is as good but it's just not as much fun to ride and IMO Gold Wing riders aren't as much fun either.

In any event, if I ride to Montana sometime it will be on a HD as it's just more comfortable at high speeds for long durations than the Honda. And I honestly believe that if we trade bikes for a couple hours you may not want to buy a Harley, but you'll certainly be impressed by how good it is in every way. Cheers bro.

Chip

Just,

You appear to be a genuine enthusiast and you hail from my favorite state. But I would love to go for a ride with you and let you spend a couple hours riding my Harley Davidson in the Bitterroot mountains.

You have made this board aware of your "vicerial hatred for Harley Davidson" and reference their bikes as outdated technology. That's just not the case and those of us that have owned them for decades keep buying them because of how well they work.

My 1998 Road King is now 17 years old and it's fuel injected engine starts instantly even after sitting for 6 months! My newer carbureted Hondas require a carb rebuild before they will start if they sit. That H-D runs flawlessly from sea level to 9000 feet as it adjusts its own mixture to compensate for altitude. It's never leaked a drop of oil or required a repair other than maintenance. It's paint, fit, and finish are world standards that other makers aspire to. But the best thing about HD is how they feel. A high torque lope at idle and glass smooth at freeway speeds. I can ride 8 hours a day at 85 mph on that Road King with a passenger and bags.

Add in the best resale, an unrivaled dealer network with tons of great techs, excellent parts availability, and unbelievable aftermarket support and they are hard to beat.

We all bought a CB1100 because it has throwback air cooling and vintage styling but the bike itself is modern in invisible ways with fuel injection, electronic ignition, ABS on some models, and computer engine controls. That is exactly what HD has done. They have modern water cooled bikes like the V-Rod, 500, and Street 750. But most HD buyers are like you and me. They like the older style air cooled models.

We all gripe about the lack of color options on the CB. HD has multiple color options on every model. When I got out of college in 1978 and AMF still owned HD they were on a death watch. Under private ownership they got their act together and modernized everything. Quality was job #1 and 20 years later they sold (and still do) more street legal motorcycles in the US than all the Japanese makers combined.

A lot of kids run loud exhausts on their Jap sport bikes and they are as objectional at the very small percentage of HD riders who run loud pipes. The most obnoxious sounding bikes are metric V twin cruisers with open pipes.

And is dressing up like a pirate and riding a HD any more ridiculous that dressing up like a Power Ranger and riding a Honda? 99% of HD riders are really nice people as are Honda riders. I've never had a HD rider say anything about my CB that wasn't a compliment.

The aerodynamics and technology in the new Street Glide are best in class. The Honda Gold Wing is as good but it's just not as much fun to ride and IMO Gold Wing riders aren't as much fun either.

In any event, if I ride to Montana sometime it will be on a HD as it's just more comfortable at high speeds for long durations than the Honda. And I honestly believe that if we trade bikes for a couple hours you may not want to buy a Harley, but you'll certainly be impressed by how good it is in every way. Cheers bro.

Chip
Ah, don't take it personal, Chip. One man's trash; another man's treasure.

Yup, I have stressed my dislike for H-D - only I think it's based on logic. That's not to put down Harley owners BECAUSE they own them; there is, I'm sure, some of the nicest people, out of the Honda commercials, on Harleys also. I DO have a visceral dislike for brutish, loud, not-very-bright people - no matter what they ride or if they ride. The kind who question the sexual orientation of the ATGATT riders, while proclaiming how "loud pipes save lives."

Not all Harley riders? Point taken.

Nor would I be adverse to experimenting with a Harley for a time. Like an electric cycle; like a Chinese cycle...I'm always open to learning new things about what I dislike. The Zero bike changed my view completely - about the practicality of electrics. Someday there will probably be a Chinese Honda-like company...and I'll have to eat my words about those things, too.

Like I said...don't read too much into that one line. What I WAS saying, though...is that H-D has an appeal that transcends the ups-and-downs of the economy. At least it's more resiliant than, say, Yamaha or Honda.

[flynrider]

We all know that Japan has had for years a modern CB750 FOUR that looks very much like the original one. I've always wondered why not that one for the US market, instead of making yet another Retro CB in the form of the current 1100. Maybe we had outgrown the old CB of olds, and Honda knew we'd want something bigger? Though the big CB was developed and sold for many markets before showing up on our shores in 2013...

What bike is that?? The last CB750 in Japan was the RC42 (very similar the the U.S. '91-'03 Nighthawk). They stopped production in '08. I have not heard of any other CB750 models since then.

Here's one of the last of the RC42s.

[Ghis_imp]

We all know that Japan has had for years a modern CB750 FOUR that looks very much like the original one. I've always wondered why not that one for the US market, instead of making yet another Retro CB in the form of the current 1100. Maybe we had outgrown the old CB of olds, and Honda knew we'd want something bigger? Though the big CB was developed and sold for many markets before showing up on our shores in 2013...

What bike is that?? The last CB750 in Japan was the RC42 (very similar the the U.S. '91-'03 Nighthawk). They stopped production in '08. I have not heard of any other CB750 models since then.

Here's one of the last of the RC42s.

What bike is that?? The last CB750 in Japan was the RC42 (very similar the the U.S. '91-'03 Nighthawk). They stopped production in '08. I have not heard of any other CB750 models since then.

Here's one of the last of the RC42s.

I think that's the one. I've seen a CB750 version a few times on the net, and it may have been with modifications. However this CB, if no longer produced in 2008, debuted in 2007, and was for Japan only. Wasn't it the CB750 Special? I could be wrong.

[rboe]

Dang, that is one pretty machine.

[linuxology_imp]

Dang, that is one pretty machine.

Not as pretty as the cb1100 but indeed

[flynrider]

We all know that Japan has had for years a modern CB750 FOUR that looks very much like the original one. I've always wondered why not that one for the US market, instead of making yet another Retro CB in the form of the current 1100. Maybe we had outgrown the old CB of olds, and Honda knew we'd want something bigger? Though the big CB was developed and sold for many markets before showing up on our shores in 2013...

What bike is that?? The last CB750 in Japan was the RC42 (very similar the the U.S. '91-'03 Nighthawk). They stopped production in '08. I have not heard of any other CB750 models since then.

Here's one of the last of the RC42s.

What bike is that?? The last CB750 in Japan was the RC42 (very similar the the U.S. '91-'03 Nighthawk). They stopped production in '08. I have not heard of any other CB750 models since then.

Here's one of the last of the RC42s.

I think that's the one. I've seen a CB750 version a few times on the net, and it may have been with modifications. However this CB, if no longer produced in 2008, debuted in 2007, and was for Japan only. Wasn't it the CB750 Special? I could be wrong.

The RC42 first appeared in Europe and Japan in '92. It was an upgraded version of the RC38, which was the U.S. Nighthawk 750. It had better brakes and suspension than the U.S. model and slightly different bodywork. In Europe the side badge said CB Seven-Fifty (i.e. words not numbers). It was also known as the CB750-F2. That bike was produced with almost no changes from '92 to '08. Since the U.S. CB750 (RC38) ceased production in '03, the RC42 was officially the last of the CB750 line (unless Honda is planning a surprise for us).

Note: The last few years of production were for Japan only.

Here's a late 90s Euro version.