Getting ready for the riding season greeted by bad sounds....

[CIP57_imp]

Do you recommend a different filter or just get the same filter from the dealership?


Same filter factory equipment

[Elipten_imp]

I am having no issue on 10w-40 here in Texas


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[dBuster_imp]

I am having no issue on 10w-40 here in Texas


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I believe I have said numerous times in this thread, or maybe the other one talking about the recommended oil, some bikes don't have any issues running the 10w40 oil while others will kick and scream until you get the 40 weight out and put the recommended weight oil in which from what reference has pointed out Honda recommends 10w30 for our bike. To take it one step further after a certain year Honda actually recommends only 30 weight.

My bike as well as others who have contributed to this thread are the ones that prefer to run better without issues with only 10w30.

If your bike can run 10w40 I congratulate you, your bike is not one if the picky ones I guess you could say.

Regarding the 40 weight oil and the heat/temperature top end, it all depends on what chart you use as in another thread I shared three different charts and two of them had the top temp off the charts for both 30 and 40 weights. I have also read that the 30 weight will dissipate the heat quicker and with an air cooled machine that is actually preferred.

Take it as you may the key is to ride safe and keep the wheels down!

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[Elipten_imp]

I will Putin 10w30 pnm the next change or as soon as I hear something. Taking no chances for sure. The dealer is the one who told me to put in the 10w40.


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[davidsargee_imp]

I am having no issue on 10w-40 here in Texas


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I believe I have said numerous times in this thread, or maybe the other one talking about the recommended oil, some bikes don't have any issues running the 10w40 oil while others will kick and scream until you get the 40 weight out and put the recommended weight oil in which from what reference has pointed out Honda recommends 10w30 for our bike. To take it one step further after a certain year Honda actually recommends only 30 weight.

My bike as well as others who have contributed to this thread are the ones that prefer to run better without issues with only 10w30.

If your bike can run 10w40 I congratulate you, your bike is not one if the picky ones I guess you could say.

Regarding the 40 weight oil and the heat/temperature top end, it all depends on what chart you use as in another thread I shared three different charts and two of them had the top temp off the charts for both 30 and 40 weights. I have also read that the 30 weight will dissipate the heat quicker and with an air cooled machine that is actually preferred.

Take it as you may the key is to ride safe and keep the wheels down!

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...To take it one step further after a certain year Honda actually recommends only 30 weight....
Not trying to start an argument, but Honda says you can use 40 weight oil in higher temps. In the service manual, Honda recommends 30 weight, and, in a side bar Honda says:

"Other viscosities shown in the chart may be used when the average temperature in your riding area is within the indicated range."

The "other viscosity" is 40 weight. The chart could have been clearer about the temp range, I interpret the range as 60 degrees F, and/or approximately 15 degrees C.

Regardless, Honda clearly states that 40 weight oil can be used in higher temperatures. They do not exclusively recommend 30 weight or nothing else.

I was at the dealer on thursday talking to the service manager, I told him about the problems some owners are having with 40 weight, (I was concerned because I am running 40 weight). So I asked him if he was sure about using 40 weight oil, since after all, Honda recommends 30 weight. He showed me page 3-14 in the service manual. He said they used 40 weight in all of the CB1100's they sold, (12 of them), and have not heard of any issue. He also assured me that using 40 weight would not affect the warranty. I just took a picture of that page from my service manual.

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I am convinced that the problems you guys had were a result of the colder climate, this is (probably) why the 40 weight did not work out for you.

Those of us that live in warmer climates and are using 40 weight are, in fact, in compliance with Honda's recommendations, and need not worry. I wish I had looked at the service manual sooner.

Peace

[dBuster_imp]

Well the English language and how it is written or read leaves quite a lot to interpretation. Like when someone says "ride it like you stole it", how many different ways can that be interpreted???

Is that the same 1100 manual that someone else had checked and reported back the 30 weight? Who knows... Looks like one page may be the same but another area doesn't mention anything else.. Are there different versions of this manual? Who knows... Are there different interpretations? who knows... Please see the other thread http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2551

Any number of things could be interpreted here. When I asked my dealership they came back and said 10w30 and said it did not mention any other viscosities... That is how the dealership read it...

Like I have said numerous times now, if your bike can run the 40 weight oil and doesn't kick scream or make goofy noises then great for you. You are one of the lucky ones... There is a good number of us that have the, for the lack of a better term, finicky bikes and not all of us are in the frozen climates.

The key thing is ride safe keep your wheels down and enjoy the bike.

Please for those that are lucky to run the 40 weight please keep the contents, comments, personal findings about 40 weight oil off of this thread as this has turned into almost an informative one for those with the noise reading how others before then have dealt with it. putting your findings or views only clouds this thread when some may look to it for guidance in the future. Post your comments or views on that other thread about the recommended oil. http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2551

Wheels down and enjoy...

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[davidsargee_imp]

Well the English language and how it is written or read leaves quite a lot to interpretation. Like when someone says "ride it like you stole it", how many different ways can that be interpreted???

Is that the same 1100 manual that someone else had checked and reported back the 30 weight? Who knows... Looks like one page may be the same but another area doesn't mention anything else.. Are there different versions of this manual? Who knows... Are there different interpretations? who knows... Please see the other thread http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2551

Any number of things could be interpreted here. When I asked my dealership they came back and said 10w30 and said it did not mention any other viscosities... That is how the dealership read it...

Like I have said numerous times now, if your bike can run the 40 weight oil and doesn't kick scream or make goofy noises then great for you. You are one of the lucky ones... There is a good number of us that have the, for the lack of a better term, finicky bikes and not all of us are in the frozen climates.

The key thing is ride safe keep your wheels down and enjoy the bike.

Please for those that are lucky to run the 40 weight please keep the contents, comments, personal findings about 40 weight oil off of this thread as this has turned into almost an informative one for those with the noise reading how others before then have dealt with it. putting your findings or views only clouds this thread when some may look to it for guidance in the future. Post your comments or views on that other thread about the recommended oil. http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2551

Wheels down and enjoy...

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The excerpt I just posted can only be interpreted in one way....

Well the English language and how it is written or read leaves quite a lot to interpretation. Like when someone says "ride it like you stole it", how many different ways can that be interpreted???

Is that the same 1100 manual that someone else had checked and reported back the 30 weight? Who knows... Looks like one page may be the same but another area doesn't mention anything else.. Are there different versions of this manual? Who knows... Are there different interpretations? who knows... Please see the other thread http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2551

Any number of things could be interpreted here. When I asked my dealership they came back and said 10w30 and said it did not mention any other viscosities... That is how the dealership read it...

Like I have said numerous times now, if your bike can run the 40 weight oil and doesn't kick scream or make goofy noises then great for you. You are one of the lucky ones... There is a good number of us that have the, for the lack of a better term, finicky bikes and not all of us are in the frozen climates.

The key thing is ride safe keep your wheels down and enjoy the bike.

Please for those that are lucky to run the 40 weight please keep the contents, comments, personal findings about 40 weight oil off of this thread as this has turned into almost an informative one for those with the noise reading how others before then have dealt with it. putting your findings or views only clouds this thread when some may look to it for guidance in the future. Post your comments or views on that other thread about the recommended oil. http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2551

Wheels down and enjoy...

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It is the Honda service manual for the 2013 Honda CB1100, the same one the Service Manager at our local dealer has........Do you think I'm lying about this? What do you need?

Well the English language and how it is written or read leaves quite a lot to interpretation. Like when someone says "ride it like you stole it", how many different ways can that be interpreted???

Is that the same 1100 manual that someone else had checked and reported back the 30 weight? Who knows... Looks like one page may be the same but another area doesn't mention anything else.. Are there different versions of this manual? Who knows... Are there different interpretations? who knows... Please see the other thread http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2551

Any number of things could be interpreted here. When I asked my dealership they came back and said 10w30 and said it did not mention any other viscosities... That is how the dealership read it...

Like I have said numerous times now, if your bike can run the 40 weight oil and doesn't kick scream or make goofy noises then great for you. You are one of the lucky ones... There is a good number of us that have the, for the lack of a better term, finicky bikes and not all of us are in the frozen climates.

The key thing is ride safe keep your wheels down and enjoy the bike.

Please for those that are lucky to run the 40 weight please keep the contents, comments, personal findings about 40 weight oil off of this thread as this has turned into almost an informative one for those with the noise reading how others before then have dealt with it. putting your findings or views only clouds this thread when some may look to it for guidance in the future. Post your comments or views on that other thread about the recommended oil. http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2551

Wheels down and enjoy...

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Not sure what else you could get out of it.

Well the English language and how it is written or read leaves quite a lot to interpretation. Like when someone says "ride it like you stole it", how many different ways can that be interpreted???

Is that the same 1100 manual that someone else had checked and reported back the 30 weight? Who knows... Looks like one page may be the same but another area doesn't mention anything else.. Are there different versions of this manual? Who knows... Are there different interpretations? who knows... Please see the other thread http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2551

Any number of things could be interpreted here. When I asked my dealership they came back and said 10w30 and said it did not mention any other viscosities... That is how the dealership read it...

Like I have said numerous times now, if your bike can run the 40 weight oil and doesn't kick scream or make goofy noises then great for you. You are one of the lucky ones... There is a good number of us that have the, for the lack of a better term, finicky bikes and not all of us are in the frozen climates.

The key thing is ride safe keep your wheels down and enjoy the bike.

Please for those that are lucky to run the 40 weight please keep the contents, comments, personal findings about 40 weight oil off of this thread as this has turned into almost an informative one for those with the noise reading how others before then have dealt with it. putting your findings or views only clouds this thread when some may look to it for guidance in the future. Post your comments or views on that other thread about the recommended oil. http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2551

Wheels down and enjoy...

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Agreed

Well the English language and how it is written or read leaves quite a lot to interpretation. Like when someone says "ride it like you stole it", how many different ways can that be interpreted???

Is that the same 1100 manual that someone else had checked and reported back the 30 weight? Who knows... Looks like one page may be the same but another area doesn't mention anything else.. Are there different versions of this manual? Who knows... Are there different interpretations? who knows... Please see the other thread http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2551

Any number of things could be interpreted here. When I asked my dealership they came back and said 10w30 and said it did not mention any other viscosities... That is how the dealership read it...

Like I have said numerous times now, if your bike can run the 40 weight oil and doesn't kick scream or make goofy noises then great for you. You are one of the lucky ones... There is a good number of us that have the, for the lack of a better term, finicky bikes and not all of us are in the frozen climates.

The key thing is ride safe keep your wheels down and enjoy the bike.

Please for those that are lucky to run the 40 weight please keep the contents, comments, personal findings about 40 weight oil off of this thread as this has turned into almost an informative one for those with the noise reading how others before then have dealt with it. putting your findings or views only clouds this thread when some may look to it for guidance in the future. Post your comments or views on that other thread about the recommended oil. http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2551

Wheels down and enjoy...

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No one is trying to muddy up this thread. Believe what you wish, but you are not considering that your (and others) claim that Honda specifies the exclusive use of 30 weight is causing concern among some of us that use 40 weight, even though most of us are not having issues. I was worried a little myself, until I looked into it, using credible sources.

Just one example, a member recently posted that he is going to go to the expense of changing his oil, (his choice), even though he is not having issues. What you are saying is causing concern to others. Honda does not say that, I just showed you proof of it. It is not a personal finding, it is in the Honda Service Manual for the 2013 CB1100. There are three different areas in the manual that list specification for engine oil, the excerpt I printed is the only one of the three that mentions 40 weight, but it is there.

I was one of the first people to listen to your original post, out of concern for you, my advice was to go straight to the dealer. I'm sorry your dealer didn't take your problem seriously, I would have demanded that they find the problem and fix it, period. I assure you that if you had demanded more, you would have received more. The truth is that you do not know for sure what is/was wrong. My only reason for posting here was to perhaps provide you with another perspective, (trying to help you). I am suggesting that until you are sure, you should keep an open mind. There are other things that cause low oil pressure, (your actual problem), what if it's not the viscosity of your oil?

I truly hope that your problem is fixed, I do. You don't have to worry about me posting anything else on your thread.

As I said before,

Peace

[CIP57_imp]

I trust members with seat of their pants experience much more than any manual and much more than any service manager recommendation. Oil pressure problems have occurred in FL, HI, AZ, MA, NY WI average median temps are so different in these location and don't come into play. They circulation of oil in these bikes is the problem and would not be surprised five yrs down the road to start creating problems. If Honda made a 5W-20 for motorcycle's i would be putting that in my bike. I considering going to Lucas 5W-20 on my next change.

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[the Ferret]

Steve I'd agree with you with the following exception...everyones experiences are so different with any product that it's really a crap shoot as to whether that product is any good or not. My brother and I laugh a lot because like most of you we are researchers these days. On every product we go online and read the reviews ....and they are inevitably so mixed. For example ...He was thinking about a new helmet, a Shoei Quest and had gone online to read reviews. He called and I said what did the reviews say? And he said " oh, you know, it the best/worst, loudest/ quietest, best fitting/worst fitting helmet they have ever worn." And we both laughed because that's how it always is when you are dealing with individual opinions.

I have found, (as long as your bike is under warranty at least), it is best to follow the manufacturers, the guys who designed and manufactured the product, recommendations. YMMV

I am always amazed by people (not saying you) who quote the manufacturer like gospel on things they support, and then dismiss off hand what the manufacturer says on things they don't.

[The Spaceman_imp]

Is there anything better than an oil thread on a motorcycle forum? Not in my life.