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New Moto Guzzi V100
#21
Stunning, classic Italian looks.
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#22
I always wonder when I see bikes with single side swingarms, such as the MG V100, what are the criteria Manufacturers use to decide on using this? I can't believe it's necessarily more cost effective...I could see benefit to easy wheel removal in race situations...they certainly look cool, but in this application, I wonder what drove it? If I had to guess, I would guess simple aesthetics, but then again, I admit I don't know if that is indeed a criteria for such a design choice. Things that make me go "hmm"...
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#23
(09-13-2021, 12:52 AM)Phadreus_imp Wrote: I always wonder when I see bikes with single side swingarms, such as the MG V100, what are the criteria Manufacturers use to decide on using this? I can't believe it's necessarily more cost effective...I could see benefit to easy wheel removal in race situations...they certainly look cool, but in this application, I wonder what drove it? If I had to guess, I would guess simple aesthetics, but then again, I admit I don't know if that is indeed a criteria for such a design choice. Things that make me go "hmm"...

Probably a combination of ideas:

* Possible weight savings.
* Simpler wheel removal.
* Esthetics.
* Possible less cost to manufacture.

Durability usually is questioned.
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#24
(09-11-2021, 06:08 PM)Tev62_imp Wrote: The Le Mans version was always a good looking model with a few tiny exceptions. The early 80's examples were common when I grew up as a teenager, then way out of my earnings reach. The mid 2000's one was a good looker too but ultimately short lived. I'm not sure the styling of this V100 will have a universal appeal, it is a little bland.

This is my current LeMan.. Been waiting for a next gen almost 10 years now..

A LeMans...
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#25
(09-13-2021, 10:00 AM)Rox_imp Wrote:
(09-11-2021, 06:08 PM)Tev62_imp Wrote: The Le Mans version was always a good looking model with a few tiny exceptions. The early 80's examples were common when I grew up as a teenager, then way out of my earnings reach. The mid 2000's one was a good looker too but ultimately short lived. I'm not sure the styling of this V100 will have a universal appeal, it is a little bland.

This is my current LeMan.. Been waiting for a next gen almost 10 years now..

A LeMans...

Superb looker....and that mural is pretty cool.
(09-13-2021, 12:52 AM)Phadreus_imp Wrote: I always wonder when I see bikes with single side swingarms, such as the MG V100, what are the criteria Manufacturers use to decide on using this? I can't believe it's necessarily more cost effective...I could see benefit to easy wheel removal in race situations...they certainly look cool, but in this application, I wonder what drove it? If I had to guess, I would guess simple aesthetics, but then again, I admit I don't know if that is indeed a criteria for such a design choice. Things that make me go "hmm"...

Triumph are about to drop the single sided swingarm on the next generation Tiger 1200 because the current combined shaft/swingarm is just too heavy. I suspect the whole swingarm pivot shaft/bearing area is a heavily fortified piece to prevent flex too. Not good on an already heavy bike. The new one is expected to shed 20-30kg, to be released later on this year.
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#26
One thing I often read about the single-sided swingarms: Once they are bent (twisted), they are scrap.
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#27
(09-13-2021, 09:16 PM)GoldOxide_imp Wrote: One thing I often read about the single-sided swingarms: Once they are bent (twisted), they are scrap.
Seems like they take some serious Engineering to prevent twisting. The very nature of the design asks to be twisted. Guess this is why we humans come equipped with two arms, so as not to twist just one out of joint. Tongue
(09-13-2021, 04:21 PM)Tev62_imp Wrote:
(09-13-2021, 10:00 AM)Rox_imp Wrote:
(09-11-2021, 06:08 PM)Tev62_imp Wrote: The Le Mans version was always a good looking model with a few tiny exceptions. The early 80's examples were common when I grew up as a teenager, then way out of my earnings reach. The mid 2000's one was a good looker too but ultimately short lived. I'm not sure the styling of this V100 will have a universal appeal, it is a little bland.

This is my current LeMan.. Been waiting for a next gen almost 10 years now..

A LeMans...

Superb looker....and that mural is pretty cool.
(09-13-2021, 12:52 AM)Phadreus_imp Wrote: I always wonder when I see bikes with single side swingarms, such as the MG V100, what are the criteria Manufacturers use to decide on using this? I can't believe it's necessarily more cost effective...I could see benefit to easy wheel removal in race situations...they certainly look cool, but in this application, I wonder what drove it? If I had to guess, I would guess simple aesthetics, but then again, I admit I don't know if that is indeed a criteria for such a design choice. Things that make me go "hmm"...

Triumph are about to drop the single sided swingarm on the next generation Tiger 1200 because the current combined shaft/swingarm is just too heavy. I suspect the whole swingarm pivot shaft/bearing area is a heavily fortified piece to prevent flex too. Not good on an already heavy bike. The new one is expected to shed 20-30kg, to be released later on this year.
I've wondered about the overall weight of a SSS vs DSS, and figured the SSS was indeed more weight. So this is not surprising to hear.
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#28
Wow, that new Guzzi is gorgeous. It looks like an evolution of my 2007 R1200R. An evolution that I wish BMW had taken, rather than the bumble-bee look it ended up with. Which is why I looked elsewhere when I sold mine and ended up with a CB1100.

I think it's best that I stay out of the Guzzi showroom when these hit the dealerships... I'd be tempted to do something very dangerous.
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#29
Look what Triumph just dropped, does that not remind you of Rox's Le Mans a couple of posts up?

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#30
I must be in the minority that I don't find the first bike posted to be attractive.

The Triumph posted above is better- but still not my style. Have to ask on that exhaust- is that a twin with a 2-2 exhaust into 1 muffler? Odd.

Looks and form- the 'LeMan' bike further above- whatever it is- looks best to me. I tried to click the picture further but it won't get any bigger.
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