Why I'm switching BACK to Honda oil

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I have sweating around the upper fins only on the left side of the engine. You can see in the pic after only a warm-up and 10mile ride residue on the fins. It will make its way down to the 2nd or 3rd fin and work its way around the side to the rear of the fins. One other member has had the same problem in the exact same spot. Could have been a bad run in manufacturing. I live with it for now since its not really a problem YET!!!

Edit: I use only Honda 10-30 full synthetic oil, don't think the oil you use created this problem.

Glad to hear this is more an issue with the bike. I will continue using the Amsoil then since I know it is a good performer.

5 W 30 is not a recommended oil for the CB1100. The recommended oil is 10 W 30 Honda Four Stroke Engine Oil available as GN4 from you local Honda dealer. Put that in your bike and you can feel warm and fuzzy all over knowing you are not going to hurt your machine. If you want, change it more often, but it will do no harm.

I know you all just had to post another oil thread to see if I was still alive. Although I have a herniated disk, I am still kicking and checking the forum for interesting threads such as this.


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Sorry that was a mistake, I meant to put 10W30! No Amsoil motorcycle oil available in 5W30. Merely a typo

Oh no? We think Honda might be right about using their oil? I cannot see it. Obviously I know more than those engineers and have always used automatic transmission fluid, cut with water 50/50 with some added to the fuel for good measure. Someday I'm going to buy the shop manual and rewrite it for them.

"I know that's right".

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I have sweating around the upper fins only on the left side of the engine. You can see in the pic after only a warm-up and 10mile ride residue on the fins. It will make its way down to the 2nd or 3rd fin and work its way around the side to the rear of the fins. One other member has had the same problem in the exact same spot. Could have been a bad run in manufacturing. I live with it for now since its not really a problem YET!!!

Edit: I use only Honda 10-30 full synthetic oil, don't think the oil you use created this problem.

You know, that actually looks like auto transmission fluid...are you sure...?

Luckily I am a mechanical engineer and I do have a some experience with this stuff Both as a hobby and a career. No snake oil here



My apologies, I need to stop making drama Really thought I narrowed down the cause of this weeping. Mine appears to be a bit worse though. I will have the dealer change the gasket in the near future if it persists.

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Been using Shell Rotella T6 synthetic 5W/40 in mine. No strange noises and runs perfect.

[NightRider_imp]

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I have sweating around the upper fins only on the left side of the engine. You can see in the pic after only a warm-up and 10mile ride residue on the fins. It will make its way down to the 2nd or 3rd fin and work its way around the side to the rear of the fins. One other member has had the same problem in the exact same spot. Could have been a bad run in manufacturing. I live with it for now since its not really a problem YET!!!

Edit: I use only Honda 10-30 full synthetic oil, don't think the oil you use created this problem.

Glad to hear this is more an issue with the bike. I will continue using the Amsoil then since I know it is a good performer.

5 W 30 is not a recommended oil for the CB1100. The recommended oil is 10 W 30 Honda Four Stroke Engine Oil available as GN4 from you local Honda dealer. Put that in your bike and you can feel warm and fuzzy all over knowing you are not going to hurt your machine. If you want, change it more often, but it will do no harm.

I know you all just had to post another oil thread to see if I was still alive. Although I have a herniated disk, I am still kicking and checking the forum for interesting threads such as this.


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Sorry that was a mistake, I meant to put 10W30! No Amsoil motorcycle oil available in 5W30. Merely a typo

Oh no? We think Honda might be right about using their oil? I cannot see it. Obviously I know more than those engineers and have always used automatic transmission fluid, cut with water 50/50 with some added to the fuel for good measure. Someday I'm going to buy the shop manual and rewrite it for them.

"I know that's right".

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I have sweating around the upper fins only on the left side of the engine. You can see in the pic after only a warm-up and 10mile ride residue on the fins. It will make its way down to the 2nd or 3rd fin and work its way around the side to the rear of the fins. One other member has had the same problem in the exact same spot. Could have been a bad run in manufacturing. I live with it for now since its not really a problem YET!!!

Edit: I use only Honda 10-30 full synthetic oil, don't think the oil you use created this problem.

You know, that actually looks like auto transmission fluid...are you sure...?

Luckily I am a mechanical engineer and I do have a some experience with this stuff Both as a hobby and a career. No snake oil here



My apologies, I need to stop making drama Really thought I narrowed down the cause of this weeping. Mine appears to be a bit worse though. I will have the dealer change the gasket in the near future if it persists.

Glad to hear this is more an issue with the bike. I will continue using the Amsoil then since I know it is a good performer.

5 W 30 is not a recommended oil for the CB1100. The recommended oil is 10 W 30 Honda Four Stroke Engine Oil available as GN4 from you local Honda dealer. Put that in your bike and you can feel warm and fuzzy all over knowing you are not going to hurt your machine. If you want, change it more often, but it will do no harm.

I know you all just had to post another oil thread to see if I was still alive. Although I have a herniated disk, I am still kicking and checking the forum for interesting threads such as this.


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Sorry that was a mistake, I meant to put 10W30! No Amsoil motorcycle oil available in 5W30. Merely a typo

Oh no? We think Honda might be right about using their oil? I cannot see it. Obviously I know more than those engineers and have always used automatic transmission fluid, cut with water 50/50 with some added to the fuel for good measure. Someday I'm going to buy the shop manual and rewrite it for them.

"I know that's right".

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I have sweating around the upper fins only on the left side of the engine. You can see in the pic after only a warm-up and 10mile ride residue on the fins. It will make its way down to the 2nd or 3rd fin and work its way around the side to the rear of the fins. One other member has had the same problem in the exact same spot. Could have been a bad run in manufacturing. I live with it for now since its not really a problem YET!!!

Edit: I use only Honda 10-30 full synthetic oil, don't think the oil you use created this problem.

You know, that actually looks like auto transmission fluid...are you sure...?

Luckily I am a mechanical engineer and I do have a some experience with this stuff Both as a hobby and a career. No snake oil here



My apologies, I need to stop making drama Really thought I narrowed down the cause of this weeping. Mine appears to be a bit worse though. I will have the dealer change the gasket in the near future if it persists.
Well of course I was just kidding you, I don't expect anyone to use transmission fluid.

However, there is no concrete evidence to support the view this is an issue with the bike itself rather than from using non recommended oil.

Kinda hard to blame it on the bike when one does not use the recommended oil. You see, Honda does not need to say why it thinks you should use the recommended oil but for sure it you use the recommended oil then you don't have to worry about the cause of oil weeping on a very young bike.
... a Honda. You know, the bikes that don't leak oil because their fit and finish and tolerances are so tight and they are. So to lose oil like this in this bike means the oil has to be thin, very thin.

[kDiqq_imp]

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I have sweating around the upper fins only on the left side of the engine. You can see in the pic after only a warm-up and 10mile ride residue on the fins. It will make its way down to the 2nd or 3rd fin and work its way around the side to the rear of the fins. One other member has had the same problem in the exact same spot. Could have been a bad run in manufacturing. I live with it for now since its not really a problem YET!!!

Edit: I use only Honda 10-30 full synthetic oil, don't think the oil you use created this problem.

Glad to hear this is more an issue with the bike. I will continue using the Amsoil then since I know it is a good performer.

5 W 30 is not a recommended oil for the CB1100. The recommended oil is 10 W 30 Honda Four Stroke Engine Oil available as GN4 from you local Honda dealer. Put that in your bike and you can feel warm and fuzzy all over knowing you are not going to hurt your machine. If you want, change it more often, but it will do no harm.

I know you all just had to post another oil thread to see if I was still alive. Although I have a herniated disk, I am still kicking and checking the forum for interesting threads such as this.


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Sorry that was a mistake, I meant to put 10W30! No Amsoil motorcycle oil available in 5W30. Merely a typo

Oh no? We think Honda might be right about using their oil? I cannot see it. Obviously I know more than those engineers and have always used automatic transmission fluid, cut with water 50/50 with some added to the fuel for good measure. Someday I'm going to buy the shop manual and rewrite it for them.

"I know that's right".

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I have sweating around the upper fins only on the left side of the engine. You can see in the pic after only a warm-up and 10mile ride residue on the fins. It will make its way down to the 2nd or 3rd fin and work its way around the side to the rear of the fins. One other member has had the same problem in the exact same spot. Could have been a bad run in manufacturing. I live with it for now since its not really a problem YET!!!

Edit: I use only Honda 10-30 full synthetic oil, don't think the oil you use created this problem.

You know, that actually looks like auto transmission fluid...are you sure...?

Luckily I am a mechanical engineer and I do have a some experience with this stuff Both as a hobby and a career. No snake oil here



My apologies, I need to stop making drama Really thought I narrowed down the cause of this weeping. Mine appears to be a bit worse though. I will have the dealer change the gasket in the near future if it persists.

Glad to hear this is more an issue with the bike. I will continue using the Amsoil then since I know it is a good performer.

5 W 30 is not a recommended oil for the CB1100. The recommended oil is 10 W 30 Honda Four Stroke Engine Oil available as GN4 from you local Honda dealer. Put that in your bike and you can feel warm and fuzzy all over knowing you are not going to hurt your machine. If you want, change it more often, but it will do no harm.

I know you all just had to post another oil thread to see if I was still alive. Although I have a herniated disk, I am still kicking and checking the forum for interesting threads such as this.


Sent using Tapatalk.

Sorry that was a mistake, I meant to put 10W30! No Amsoil motorcycle oil available in 5W30. Merely a typo

Oh no? We think Honda might be right about using their oil? I cannot see it. Obviously I know more than those engineers and have always used automatic transmission fluid, cut with water 50/50 with some added to the fuel for good measure. Someday I'm going to buy the shop manual and rewrite it for them.

"I know that's right".

[url=http://s1034.photobucket.com/user/cipolla57/media/photo_zpsxtvv0wsy.jpg.html]

I have sweating around the upper fins only on the left side of the engine. You can see in the pic after only a warm-up and 10mile ride residue on the fins. It will make its way down to the 2nd or 3rd fin and work its way around the side to the rear of the fins. One other member has had the same problem in the exact same spot. Could have been a bad run in manufacturing. I live with it for now since its not really a problem YET!!!

Edit: I use only Honda 10-30 full synthetic oil, don't think the oil you use created this problem.

You know, that actually looks like auto transmission fluid...are you sure...?

Luckily I am a mechanical engineer and I do have a some experience with this stuff Both as a hobby and a career. No snake oil here



My apologies, I need to stop making drama Really thought I narrowed down the cause of this weeping. Mine appears to be a bit worse though. I will have the dealer change the gasket in the near future if it persists.
Well of course I was just kidding you, I don't expect anyone to use transmission fluid.

However, there is no concrete evidence to support the view this is an issue with the bike itself rather than from using non recommended oil.

Kinda hard to blame it on the bike when one does not use the recommended oil. You see, Honda does not need to say why it thinks you should use the recommended oil but for sure it you use the recommended oil then you don't have to worry about the cause of oil weeping on a very young bike.
... a Honda. You know, the bikes that don't leak oil because their fit and finish and tolerances are so tight and they are. So to lose oil like this in this bike means the oil has to be thin, very thin.

Well it appears the weeping is happening to a few bikes (all of which are running different oils) and the bottom end rattling happened to my bike when I first got it (albeit much quieter). That is enough evidence to me to believe that a few bikes might have a minor issue related to the installation of the valve cover gasket. Shoot, I think it's entirely possible that bolts might not have been torqued to spec. When removing my header, the flange bolts were finger loose, below their prescribed torque spec. Crap happens. I've yet to find a perfect motorcycle, though I will argue that my CB comes really close

I don't mean to come off as hard headed, I love these discussion and being able to talk about details like this is exciting! I'm always more than happy to bring up technical details at any given opportunity!

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To make a general statement that the problem is not the oil because other bike has a leak using a Honda synthetic oil is perhaps a bit of a reach, but does sound logical at first glance, but is not since the leak on the second bike could really be caused by some other factor.

But one can safely make a general statement that if you do not use the recommended oil and worse the recommended service level, then you cannot be sure it is not the oil.

[kDiqq_imp]

My interval is still what Honda recommends and other Amsoil users here don't have weeping... Wonder if my environment has anything to do with it...

[NightRider_imp]

In any case, you did not mention getting ready to go to the dealer for a diagnostic and correction and while I suggest again using the recommended oil for your CB1100, I personally would stop running it until I got it to the dealer for engine troubleshooting and ignore the fact that you feel it is coming from the oil pan but instead think "engine noise".

My interval is still what Honda recommends and other Amsoil users here don't have weeping... Wonder if my environment has anything to do with it...

Who cares? It is happening already and noise means trouble and trouble means more trouble if it is not correctly diagnosed and corrected and you and I cannot do that.

[kDiqq_imp]

I tried to have a dealer diagnose the bottom end rattle, but they said everything seemed fine... Using a stethoscope and parts diagram, I did isolate the noise to be coming from WELL below the balance shaft and crankshaft. In fact, it's even below the oil pump itself and it coming from where the return tube reaches the pan. Since there is no gasket for the oil pan, I deemed it not worth pulling the pan myself and reapplying gasket maker. Dealer said it's fine and I have that documented, so if problems arise later it should be easier to file a claim since the condition was report at <200 miles with factory oil.

I'm puzzled on why the pan has loads of baffling for the oil return...

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I had a long talk with my dealer, who by trade is a mechanic, with oil choices.

Since the last chain-drive Japanese machine I owned, I was converted to Mobil 1. No, it doesn't work miracles. It doesn't cure halitosis and the heartbreak of psoriasis. No, it's not to be added to the crankcase, the the gas tank, the fork tubes and the chain. It's just an improvement on nature, by controlling the molecular quality of the lubricant - by molecule; and after a lower-end failure on an engine in a GM car, I avoid both GM cars and conventional oils.

BUT.

I'd forgotten about the wet clutch pack. BMWs, of course, have a single-plate, dry automotive-style clutch. They have a gearbox with its own lubrication. Not so a Honda, with a wet clutch and transmission all lubed by crankcase oil.

DO NOT use automotive synthetics, he warned. He says there's a synthetic for cycles with wet clutches, but he doesn't know enough to recommend it.

And I'll accept that. I don't like going back to dino-oil; but - as with so many complex items and their needs - there is no "better" lubricant. There is only the lubricant with qualities the machine was engineered for; and lubricants that are out of specification for its needs.

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6 years old, but still pretty exciting reading
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