Michelin Pilot Road 3 ( Revised )

[Cormanus]

If you have a larger diameter tire the wheel will spin slower at any given speed than the smaller tire. Too take this to extremes, imagine your little 13" trailer tire spinning like crazy at 75mph while your jacked up Ford pickup with monster tires fairly pokes around at 75mph (but humming like crazy, but that is another problem).

Same speed, different rpm's.

The ABS sensor only see's the rpm's. In the software that converts that rpm to mph a few things are assumed to be constant like the tire diameter and the speed will be incorrect if the assumed figure does not match reality.

+1

Exact tire diameters can be obtained from the mfg. for comparison purposes. As my offering to the deities of pedanticism, the difference -- trivial as it may seem on paper -- can be greater in practice, as the tire expands in actual use. The difference is of course more noteworthy as speeds increase.

I'm sure I'm going to get crap for this, but here is the math.

If you take a tire put a mark on it and rolled it along the ground until you got back to the mark that would be the circumference of the tire. This is also Pie*Diameter or 3.14*D. The sensor is measuring revolutions of the wheel. It doesn't matter that the location it is measuring this is inside the outer diameter it is still just measuring the number of revolutions. If you put a mark on the ring the sensor was looking at it will always be in line with the mark you made on the tire. So if you took that number of revolutions multiplied by the circumference of the outside of the tire you would get the distance you have traveled. Remember the bike is doing all the math (Rev*3.14*D) now if you change the diameter significantly, but don't let the bike know it still does the same math. So even though you would travel a different distance, based solely on revolutions, it still thinks you went the old distance.

Example time.
So say you went from a stock 25" tire to a 30" tire. What the bike is reporting is 25*3.14*Rev*0.0000157828 (the last bit is just to get it from inches to miles). What is actually happening is the outside of the tire is traveling 30*3.14*Rev*0.0000157828. What this means is by the time you actually have traveled 1 mile you have made 672.6 revolutions of the wheel. Since the bike is still using the old formula it reports you have only traveled .83 miles.

This is true if it is measuring the revolutions of the wheel, or some part of the transmission. The only time it would not be true is on the old style bicycle style odometers that used a direct drive mechanism that made contact with the outside diameter of the tier, this would be accurate no matter what size tire you used.

And also like CIP pointed out, the difference in outer diameter with this particular tire is so small, it really doesn't matter at all.

I know that was way more educational in tone then this forum is used to (or probably wants), but I hope it helped.

Not really. Stick around, there be pedantry in abundance.

Provincial and parochial also apply aplenty. Sometimes all three.

That would be the deities of pedantry, wouldn't it?

[Greg_imp]

So, how are the tires?

Just order them today, I'll have a report when i put them on. Still have a little life left in the OEM's.

I'm heading down the the local tire store on Fri. to see if I can get one of these to replace my front tire. It started showing wear bars about 400 miles ago. I'll follow up with the the rear tire when it starts showing some wear.

Ever since I started using Bridgestone BT-45s on the CB750, I've been sold on the dual compound concept. About 75% of my riding is mostly vertical freeway and city. If I get a softer compound that works in the twisties, it'll wear fast right down the middle of the tire. Harder compounds that last forever tend to sacrifice a lot of grip in hard cornering. Dual compound combines the best of both worlds.

So I've been cutting up in class and now have no idea what teacher has been saying.

Are you saying the stock tires on my bike are dual compound, or are you recommending a replacement that is?

[flynrider]

So, how are the tires?

Just order them today, I'll have a report when i put them on. Still have a little life left in the OEM's.

I'm heading down the the local tire store on Fri. to see if I can get one of these to replace my front tire. It started showing wear bars about 400 miles ago. I'll follow up with the the rear tire when it starts showing some wear.

Ever since I started using Bridgestone BT-45s on the CB750, I've been sold on the dual compound concept. About 75% of my riding is mostly vertical freeway and city. If I get a softer compound that works in the twisties, it'll wear fast right down the middle of the tire. Harder compounds that last forever tend to sacrifice a lot of grip in hard cornering. Dual compound combines the best of both worlds.

So I've been cutting up in class and now have no idea what teacher has been saying.

Are you saying the stock tires on my bike are dual compound, or are you recommending a replacement that is?

Sorry about that. I was referring to the dual compound Pilot Road 3 tires that are the subject of this thread.

My bike came stock with Bridgestone BT-54s, which aren't dual compound (and the front wore pretty quickly). The other Bridgestones I referred to were the bias ply BT-45s that I use on the CB750, which ARE dual compound and work great for me (I'm on my 3rd set). I considered just switching to bias BT-45s, but I'm only replacing the front and don't want to mix bias and radial types.

[Red Mist_imp]

If you have a larger diameter tire the wheel will spin slower at any given speed than the smaller tire. Too take this to extremes, imagine your little 13" trailer tire spinning like crazy at 75mph while your jacked up Ford pickup with monster tires fairly pokes around at 75mph (but humming like crazy, but that is another problem).

Same speed, different rpm's.

The ABS sensor only see's the rpm's. In the software that converts that rpm to mph a few things are assumed to be constant like the tire diameter and the speed will be incorrect if the assumed figure does not match reality.

+1

Exact tire diameters can be obtained from the mfg. for comparison purposes. As my offering to the deities of pedanticism, the difference -- trivial as it may seem on paper -- can be greater in practice, as the tire expands in actual use. The difference is of course more noteworthy as speeds increase.

I'm sure I'm going to get crap for this, but here is the math.

If you take a tire put a mark on it and rolled it along the ground until you got back to the mark that would be the circumference of the tire. This is also Pie*Diameter or 3.14*D. The sensor is measuring revolutions of the wheel. It doesn't matter that the location it is measuring this is inside the outer diameter it is still just measuring the number of revolutions. If you put a mark on the ring the sensor was looking at it will always be in line with the mark you made on the tire. So if you took that number of revolutions multiplied by the circumference of the outside of the tire you would get the distance you have traveled. Remember the bike is doing all the math (Rev*3.14*D) now if you change the diameter significantly, but don't let the bike know it still does the same math. So even though you would travel a different distance, based solely on revolutions, it still thinks you went the old distance.

Example time.
So say you went from a stock 25" tire to a 30" tire. What the bike is reporting is 25*3.14*Rev*0.0000157828 (the last bit is just to get it from inches to miles). What is actually happening is the outside of the tire is traveling 30*3.14*Rev*0.0000157828. What this means is by the time you actually have traveled 1 mile you have made 672.6 revolutions of the wheel. Since the bike is still using the old formula it reports you have only traveled .83 miles.

This is true if it is measuring the revolutions of the wheel, or some part of the transmission. The only time it would not be true is on the old style bicycle style odometers that used a direct drive mechanism that made contact with the outside diameter of the tier, this would be accurate no matter what size tire you used.

And also like CIP pointed out, the difference in outer diameter with this particular tire is so small, it really doesn't matter at all.

I know that was way more educational in tone then this forum is used to (or probably wants), but I hope it helped.

Not really. Stick around, there be pedantry in abundance.

Provincial and parochial also apply aplenty. Sometimes all three.

That would be the deities of pedantry, wouldn't it?

That would be the deities of pedantry, wouldn't it? You say toh-mah-toe, I say toe-may-toe...

Anyway, an "ism" is as sexy as a "try", is it not?

So, how are the tires?

Just order them today, I'll have a report when i put them on. Still have a little life left in the OEM's.

I'm heading down the the local tire store on Fri. to see if I can get one of these to replace my front tire. It started showing wear bars about 400 miles ago. I'll follow up with the the rear tire when it starts showing some wear.

Ever since I started using Bridgestone BT-45s on the CB750, I've been sold on the dual compound concept. About 75% of my riding is mostly vertical freeway and city. If I get a softer compound that works in the twisties, it'll wear fast right down the middle of the tire. Harder compounds that last forever tend to sacrifice a lot of grip in hard cornering. Dual compound combines the best of both worlds.

Ever since I started using Bridgestone BT-45s on the CB750, I've been sold on the dual compound concept. Dual compound combines the best of both worlds. BT45's, excellent tires, yes.