(01-05-2024, 11:22 AM)Whoops_imp Wrote: So I took the 2017 EX out the evening before last for a short ride before the snow set in here and for the first time on the bike, I happened to get back just a touch after sundown. What I experienced was downright scary. The LED headlight on the EX has to be the worst headlight ever to grace a motorcycle, LED or not. It is a silly afterthought and really not up to Honda's design and engineering standards. The small rectangle of illumination was completely inadequate. Once I got closer to home where the street lights are few and far between, I found myself laughing incredulously in between white knuckling my grips in the sweeping turns where I struggled to even see the road at all.

Has anyone here replaced their EX headlight by chance? Is it even possible?

I would love to go back to the incandescent light that was on my 2014 Std. That was a wonderful light by comparison. I can say that until the light on this bike is sorted, I will only ever take it out in daylight, or else be on the FJR if I have to ride after dark. Heck, the FJR headlight is better than most cars I have owned. What was Honda thinking?

(01-05-2024, 11:22 AM)Whoops_imp Wrote: So I took the 2017 EX out the evening before last for a short ride before the snow set in here and for the first time on the bike, I happened to get back just a touch after sundown. What I experienced was downright scary. The LED headlight on the EX has to be the worst headlight ever to grace a motorcycle, LED or not. It is a silly afterthought and really not up to Honda's design and engineering standards. The small rectangle of illumination was completely inadequate. Once I got closer to home where the street lights are few and far between, I found myself laughing incredulously in between white knuckling my grips in the sweeping turns where I struggled to even see the road at all.

Has anyone here replaced their EX headlight by chance? Is it even possible?

I would love to go back to the incandescent light that was on my 2014 Std. That was a wonderful light by comparison. I can say that until the light on this bike is sorted, I will only ever take it out in daylight, or else be on the FJR if I have to ride after dark. Heck, the FJR headlight is better than most cars I have owned. What was Honda thinking?

(01-05-2024, 11:33 AM)mvk24_imp Wrote: Is this the standard LED and housing from the factory ?

Even my 2014 with incandescent/halogen was a pretty damn good headlight.

I "upgraded" to a LED with the diodes in the same exact place as the halogen bulb so that I would get the same exact light pattern using the factory halogen reflector housing.

Almost sounds like you have a bad diode or something in your bulb/chip?

2014 CB1100, 1981 KZ440 LTD, 1993 Yamaha XJ600 Seca, 1994 Yamaha XJ600 Seca

(01-05-2024, 11:41 AM)peterbaron_imp Wrote: Woops, you're not the only one complaining about the '17EX LED headlamp.
Some members have already modified or converted to the incandescent light that was on the 2010-16 models or to an aftermarket LED light.
Use search in the upper right corner.
I'm not 100% sure, but Alain Lee may chime in with more info.

http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7548
..there are some more

(01-05-2024, 02:20 PM)Alain Lee_imp Wrote:

(01-05-2024, 11:22 AM)Whoops_imp Wrote: So I took the 2017 EX out the evening before last for a short ride before the snow set in here and for the first time on the bike, I happened to get back just a touch after sundown. What I experienced was downright scary. The LED headlight on the EX has to be the worst headlight ever to grace a motorcycle, LED or not. It is a silly afterthought and really not up to Honda's design and engineering standards. The small rectangle of illumination was completely inadequate. Once I got closer to home where the street lights are few and far between, I found myself laughing incredulously in between white knuckling my grips in the sweeping turns where I struggled to even see the road at all.

Has anyone here replaced their EX headlight by chance? Is it even possible?

I would love to go back to the incandescent light that was on my 2014 Std. That was a wonderful light by comparison. I can say that until the light on this bike is sorted, I will only ever take it out in daylight, or else be on the FJR if I have to ride after dark. Heck, the FJR headlight is better than most cars I have owned. What was Honda thinking?

Try this link.
http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=15843

I installed two auxiliary "Day Maker" lights

(01-06-2024, 01:20 AM)pdedse_imp Wrote:

(01-05-2024, 11:22 AM)Whoops_imp Wrote: So I took the 2017 EX out the evening before last for a short ride before the snow set in here and for the first time on the bike, I happened to get back just a touch after sundown. What I experienced was downright scary. The LED headlight on the EX has to be the worst headlight ever to grace a motorcycle, LED or not. It is a silly afterthought and really not up to Honda's design and engineering standards. The small rectangle of illumination was completely inadequate. Once I got closer to home where the street lights are few and far between, I found myself laughing incredulously in between white knuckling my grips in the sweeping turns where I struggled to even see the road at all.

Has anyone here replaced their EX headlight by chance? Is it even possible?

I would love to go back to the incandescent light that was on my 2014 Std. That was a wonderful light by comparison. I can say that until the light on this bike is sorted, I will only ever take it out in daylight, or else be on the FJR if I have to ride after dark. Heck, the FJR headlight is better than most cars I have owned. What was Honda thinking?

And here I thought it was my eyes! I don't ride much at night because I don't have to. Sometimes I'll purposefully get on the Portland freeways on a late warm summer night with not much traffic just to have some fun. But those are lit up pretty well, cars' tail lights help, painted reflective stripes, curves are gentle, long and sweeping...so I don't notice.

But several months ago, stayed longer at work than expected and rode home on the '17EX and was on my normal 2 lane nearly-country-ish route and thought, wow, can't see squat! Thought it was just my darkened face shield. Few days later, tried again with my clear shield and it was lots better. But maybe that difference was similar to one used to drinking cheap wine trying a mediocre one, and not even realizing fine wines exist.

Next opportunity, I think I'll ride the 'EX, my w800 and then the DR650 back-to-back-to-back at night along the same streets to compare.

(01-06-2024, 05:05 AM)Whoops_imp Wrote:

(01-05-2024, 11:33 AM)mvk24_imp Wrote: Is this the standard LED and housing from the factory ?

Even my 2014 with incandescent/halogen was a pretty damn good headlight.

I "upgraded" to a LED with the diodes in the same exact place as the halogen bulb so that I would get the same exact light pattern using the factory halogen reflector housing.

Almost sounds like you have a bad diode or something in your bulb/chip?

2014 CB1100, 1981 KZ440 LTD, 1993 Yamaha XJ600 Seca, 1994 Yamaha XJ600 Seca

It’s the factory housing and light and the bulbs are bright, but the lumen output is all concentrated in a small rectangle on the road with a very sharp cutoff outside that rectangle. So instead of a white spot in the center that spills light out to the edges of your field of view, it is a lighted spot and complete darkness outside of that rectangle which in my opinion is worse that the other way around.

(01-05-2024, 11:41 AM)peterbaron_imp Wrote: Woops, you're not the only one complaining about the '17EX LED headlamp.
Some members have already modified or converted to the incandescent light that was on the 2010-16 models or to an aftermarket LED light.
Use search in the upper right corner.
I'm not 100% sure, but Alain Lee may chime in with more info.

http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7548
..there are some more

Cheers on the link. Delved into that thread and a few more. Looks like any option is going to be north of $600, but of course that was pre-pandemic pricing and is likely a lot more expensive now. Ouch. I think I might just have to relegate the CB to daytime rides only.

(01-05-2024, 02:20 PM)Alain Lee_imp Wrote:

(01-05-2024, 11:22 AM)Whoops_imp Wrote: So I took the 2017 EX out the evening before last for a short ride before the snow set in here and for the first time on the bike, I happened to get back just a touch after sundown. What I experienced was downright scary. The LED headlight on the EX has to be the worst headlight ever to grace a motorcycle, LED or not. It is a silly afterthought and really not up to Honda's design and engineering standards. The small rectangle of illumination was completely inadequate. Once I got closer to home where the street lights are few and far between, I found myself laughing incredulously in between white knuckling my grips in the sweeping turns where I struggled to even see the road at all.

Has anyone here replaced their EX headlight by chance? Is it even possible?

I would love to go back to the incandescent light that was on my 2014 Std. That was a wonderful light by comparison. I can say that until the light on this bike is sorted, I will only ever take it out in daylight, or else be on the FJR if I have to ride after dark. Heck, the FJR headlight is better than most cars I have owned. What was Honda thinking?

Try this link.
http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=15843

I installed two auxiliary "Day Maker" lights

That looks very creative! Are those mounted to the turn signal stalks? If so, since those stalks are flexible, do you get any lighting bounce or vibration?

(01-06-2024, 01:20 AM)pdedse_imp Wrote:

(01-05-2024, 11:22 AM)Whoops_imp Wrote: So I took the 2017 EX out the evening before last for a short ride before the snow set in here and for the first time on the bike, I happened to get back just a touch after sundown. What I experienced was downright scary. The LED headlight on the EX has to be the worst headlight ever to grace a motorcycle, LED or not. It is a silly afterthought and really not up to Honda's design and engineering standards. The small rectangle of illumination was completely inadequate. Once I got closer to home where the street lights are few and far between, I found myself laughing incredulously in between white knuckling my grips in the sweeping turns where I struggled to even see the road at all.

Has anyone here replaced their EX headlight by chance? Is it even possible?

I would love to go back to the incandescent light that was on my 2014 Std. That was a wonderful light by comparison. I can say that until the light on this bike is sorted, I will only ever take it out in daylight, or else be on the FJR if I have to ride after dark. Heck, the FJR headlight is better than most cars I have owned. What was Honda thinking?

And here I thought it was my eyes! I don't ride much at night because I don't have to. Sometimes I'll purposefully get on the Portland freeways on a late warm summer night with not much traffic just to have some fun. But those are lit up pretty well, cars' tail lights help, painted reflective stripes, curves are gentle, long and sweeping...so I don't notice.

But several months ago, stayed longer at work than expected and rode home on the '17EX and was on my normal 2 lane nearly-country-ish route and thought, wow, can't see squat! Thought it was just my darkened face shield. Few days later, tried again with my clear shield and it was lots better. But maybe that difference was similar to one used to drinking cheap wine trying a mediocre one, and not even realizing fine wines exist.

Next opportunity, I think I'll ride the 'EX, my w800 and then the DR650 back-to-back-to-back at night along the same streets to compare.

I would love to hear your feedback after trying them all back-to-back like that.

(01-06-2024, 06:53 AM)GoldOxide_imp Wrote:

(01-06-2024, 05:05 AM)Whoops_imp Wrote:

(01-05-2024, 11:33 AM)mvk24_imp Wrote: Is this the standard LED and housing from the factory ?

Even my 2014 with incandescent/halogen was a pretty damn good headlight.

I "upgraded" to a LED with the diodes in the same exact place as the halogen bulb so that I would get the same exact light pattern using the factory halogen reflector housing.

Almost sounds like you have a bad diode or something in your bulb/chip?

2014 CB1100, 1981 KZ440 LTD, 1993 Yamaha XJ600 Seca, 1994 Yamaha XJ600 Seca

It’s the factory housing and light and the bulbs are bright, but the lumen output is all concentrated in a small rectangle on the road with a very sharp cutoff outside that rectangle. So instead of a white spot in the center that spills light out to the edges of your field of view, it is a lighted spot and complete darkness outside of that rectangle which in my opinion is worse that the other way around.

(01-05-2024, 11:41 AM)peterbaron_imp Wrote: Woops, you're not the only one complaining about the '17EX LED headlamp.
Some members have already modified or converted to the incandescent light that was on the 2010-16 models or to an aftermarket LED light.
Use search in the upper right corner.
I'm not 100% sure, but Alain Lee may chime in with more info.

http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=7548
..there are some more

Cheers on the link. Delved into that thread and a few more. Looks like any option is going to be north of $600, but of course that was pre-pandemic pricing and is likely a lot more expensive now. Ouch. I think I might just have to relegate the CB to daytime rides only.

(01-05-2024, 02:20 PM)Alain Lee_imp Wrote:

(01-05-2024, 11:22 AM)Whoops_imp Wrote: So I took the 2017 EX out the evening before last for a short ride before the snow set in here and for the first time on the bike, I happened to get back just a touch after sundown. What I experienced was downright scary. The LED headlight on the EX has to be the worst headlight ever to grace a motorcycle, LED or not. It is a silly afterthought and really not up to Honda's design and engineering standards. The small rectangle of illumination was completely inadequate. Once I got closer to home where the street lights are few and far between, I found myself laughing incredulously in between white knuckling my grips in the sweeping turns where I struggled to even see the road at all.

Has anyone here replaced their EX headlight by chance? Is it even possible?

I would love to go back to the incandescent light that was on my 2014 Std. That was a wonderful light by comparison. I can say that until the light on this bike is sorted, I will only ever take it out in daylight, or else be on the FJR if I have to ride after dark. Heck, the FJR headlight is better than most cars I have owned. What was Honda thinking?

Try this link.
http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=15843

I installed two auxiliary "Day Maker" lights

That looks very creative! Are those mounted to the turn signal stalks? If so, since those stalks are flexible, do you get any lighting bounce or vibration?

(01-06-2024, 01:20 AM)pdedse_imp Wrote:

(01-05-2024, 11:22 AM)Whoops_imp Wrote: So I took the 2017 EX out the evening before last for a short ride before the snow set in here and for the first time on the bike, I happened to get back just a touch after sundown. What I experienced was downright scary. The LED headlight on the EX has to be the worst headlight ever to grace a motorcycle, LED or not. It is a silly afterthought and really not up to Honda's design and engineering standards. The small rectangle of illumination was completely inadequate. Once I got closer to home where the street lights are few and far between, I found myself laughing incredulously in between white knuckling my grips in the sweeping turns where I struggled to even see the road at all.

Has anyone here replaced their EX headlight by chance? Is it even possible?

I would love to go back to the incandescent light that was on my 2014 Std. That was a wonderful light by comparison. I can say that until the light on this bike is sorted, I will only ever take it out in daylight, or else be on the FJR if I have to ride after dark. Heck, the FJR headlight is better than most cars I have owned. What was Honda thinking?

And here I thought it was my eyes! I don't ride much at night because I don't have to. Sometimes I'll purposefully get on the Portland freeways on a late warm summer night with not much traffic just to have some fun. But those are lit up pretty well, cars' tail lights help, painted reflective stripes, curves are gentle, long and sweeping...so I don't notice.

But several months ago, stayed longer at work than expected and rode home on the '17EX and was on my normal 2 lane nearly-country-ish route and thought, wow, can't see squat! Thought it was just my darkened face shield. Few days later, tried again with my clear shield and it was lots better. But maybe that difference was similar to one used to drinking cheap wine trying a mediocre one, and not even realizing fine wines exist.

Next opportunity, I think I'll ride the 'EX, my w800 and then the DR650 back-to-back-to-back at night along the same streets to compare.

I would love to hear your feedback after trying them all back-to-back like that.

Cheers on the link. Delved into that thread and a few more. Looks like any option is going to be north of $600, but of course that was pre-pandemic pricing and is likely a lot more expensive now. Ouch. I think I might just have to relegate the CB to daytime rides only.
lol - you don't want to be a leading bike, ahead of those lights at night.