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Motorcyle Quiz - _imp - 11-26-2013
What model cruiser came out first.
The Harley V-Rod or the Honda VTX 1800.
And what year was that.
It may seem off topic.But one can learn a lot about a motorcycle
manufacturer like Honda by asking.
because Honda introduced the VTX 1800 for a reason.
To set the stage for future trends.The CB 1100 was introduced for
a reason also.
RE: Motorcyle Quiz - kenfyoozed_imp - 11-26-2013
V-rod = 2001
VTX 1800 = 2002
RE: Motorcyle Quiz - _imp - 11-26-2013
(11-26-2013, 02:52 PM)kenfyoozed_imp Wrote: V-rod = 2001
VTX 1800 = 2002
Wrong.And yes Wikipedia is also wronged.
The VTX was out before the Harley V-Rod.
One of the reasons I started the thread.
Honda broke manufacture protocol and actually released
their 2002 Model year VTX 1800 in early spring of 2001.I was
there.I bought one that spring.No better way to remember than
being there.
Honda startled both Harley and the industry by breaking the rules.
They raised more than a few eyebrows when releasing their
model in early spring yet gave it a model year of the upcoming
year.That is why CR { Cruising Rider } gave the VTX 1800
BOTY { Bike of the year } for 2001 and the V-Rod BOTY for
2002.
RE: Motorcyle Quiz - The Spaceman_imp - 11-27-2013
HD had such high hopes for the VRod. They spent a cuss of money to develop it, and even built a factory to manufacture them. This was at the peak of the Harley fad. The trouble was, the vast majority of HD customers didn't want them; they wanted the traditional potato potato engine, not some water-cooled Porsche design that happened to be an order of magnitude better technically. People were horrified at the idea of the "Revolution" engine taking over the big twin line of bikes.
Its going to be very interesying to see how well their new line of bikes sells. Not only ate they water cooled, but they're made in India! Quite a departure for the faithful...
RE: Motorcyle Quiz - _imp - 11-27-2013
Did the original 2002 V-Rod cost more or less than
the 2013 V-Rod Muscle or 2014 V-Rod Muscle. ?
Or Night Rod Special of 2013 or 2014 ?
RE: Motorcyle Quiz - The Spaceman_imp - 11-28-2013
(11-27-2013, 11:09 PM)_imp Wrote: Did the original 2002 V-Rod cost more or less than
the 2013 V-Rod Muscle or 2014 V-Rod Muscle. ?
Or Night Rod Special of 2013 or 2014 ?
In addition to used prices, http://www.nada.com lists the original MSRP for bikes.
RE: Motorcyle Quiz - _imp - 11-28-2013
(11-28-2013, 03:45 AM)The Spaceman_imp Wrote:(11-27-2013, 11:09 PM)_imp Wrote: Did the original 2002 V-Rod cost more or less than
the 2013 V-Rod Muscle or 2014 V-Rod Muscle. ?
Or Night Rod Special of 2013 or 2014 ?
In addition to used prices, http://www.nada.com lists the original MSRP for bikes.
In addition to used prices, http://www.nada.com lists the original MSRP for bikes.
Imagine if you will a motorcycle costing MORE 12 years ago than
today.
The *2001 V-Rod had a list price of $ 17,ooo.
The 2013 V-Rod Muscle has a list price of $ 15,149.
Almost $ 2,ooo less.
Live a little ... Learn a lot.
* Came out in 2001 as an '02 model.
RE: Motorcyle Quiz - The Spaceman_imp - 11-28-2013
(11-28-2013, 05:37 AM)_imp Wrote:(11-28-2013, 03:45 AM)The Spaceman_imp Wrote:(11-27-2013, 11:09 PM)_imp Wrote: Did the original 2002 V-Rod cost more or less than
the 2013 V-Rod Muscle or 2014 V-Rod Muscle. ?
Or Night Rod Special of 2013 or 2014 ?
In addition to used prices, http://www.nada.com lists the original MSRP for bikes.
In addition to used prices, http://www.nada.com lists the original MSRP for bikes.
Imagine if you will a motorcycle costing MORE 12 years ago than
today.
The *2001 V-Rod had a list price of $ 17,ooo.
The 2013 V-Rod Muscle has a list price of $ 15,149.
Almost $ 2,ooo less.
Live a little ... Learn a lot.
* Came out in 2001 as an '02 model.
Although it doesnt happen that often in the real world, technically every bike should get cheaper the longer its produced. The idea being that the cost of design, building the tooling and other production investments, testing, etc., are amortized across "X" number of bikes. If there is only one production run of a bike, its going to cost much more to produce than a bike that has 6, 8, or more production runs
Of course if this axiom were always applied, by now Harley would be selling Sportsters for $32.99. They've managed to get over 50 years of production out of that bike with very minor modifications to the original design!
RE: Motorcyle Quiz - HondaJon_imp - 11-28-2013
Had a V-Rod and hated it. Did not perform as I expected it would.
RE: Motorcyle Quiz - _imp - 11-28-2013
(11-28-2013, 10:00 PM)The Spaceman_imp Wrote:(11-28-2013, 05:37 AM)_imp Wrote:(11-28-2013, 03:45 AM)The Spaceman_imp Wrote:(11-27-2013, 11:09 PM)_imp Wrote: Did the original 2002 V-Rod cost more or less than
the 2013 V-Rod Muscle or 2014 V-Rod Muscle. ?
Or Night Rod Special of 2013 or 2014 ?
In addition to used prices, http://www.nada.com lists the original MSRP for bikes.
In addition to used prices, http://www.nada.com lists the original MSRP for bikes.
Imagine if you will a motorcycle costing MORE 12 years ago than
today.
The *2001 V-Rod had a list price of $ 17,ooo.
The 2013 V-Rod Muscle has a list price of $ 15,149.
Almost $ 2,ooo less.
Live a little ... Learn a lot.
* Came out in 2001 as an '02 model.
Although it doesnt happen that often in the real world, technically every bike should get cheaper the longer its produced. The idea being that the cost of design, building the tooling and other production investments, testing, etc., are amortized across "X" number of bikes. If there is only one production run of a bike, its going to cost much more to produce than a bike that has 6, 8, or more production runs
Of course if this axiom were always applied, by now Harley would be selling Sportsters for $32.99. They've managed to get over 50 years of production out of that bike with very minor modifications to the original design!
Although it doesnt happen that often in the real world, technically every bike should get cheaper the longer its produced. The idea being that the cost of design, building the tooling and other production investments, testing, etc., are amortized across "X" number of bikes. If there is only one production run of a bike, its going to cost much more to produce than a bike that has 6, 8, or more production runs
Of course if this axiom were always applied, by now Harley would be selling Sportsters for $32.99. They've managed to get over 50 years of production out of that bike with very minor modifications to the original design!
Not exactly.What determines a market and price is Demand.
That is exactly why Harley's cost so much in the '90's.
There was a shortage of new models to go around.That is also
why most Hog guys were easily able to buy a new Harley and
drive for a few years and then sell for what they paid for it.
That was a Huge selling point for Hogs,especially throughout
the 1990's.Theyr RESALE value.Actually it was a gimmick.
Because Harley dealers in Kentucky openly were asking and
getting on average $ 3-4,ooo over list for new models in the
decade of the 90's.
Another example is the New Indian { all new powerplant }.
In 1999 when Indian came back with a facility in Gilroy,Ca.
it used a standard S & S engine.Not even a big S & S.
The flagship model {Chief} was priced basically what the
brand new Indian of 2013 got priced.Around $ 20 Grand.
The Scout came out about a year later with the same
88 cubic inch S & S engine at $ 18,900.
Actually the new Indian Chief Classic is priced at $ 18,999
or a full Grand less than the 2000 model.
And it's a completely different bike.Everything is better.
I test rode a 2000 Chief.It was very long and unstable.
Was hard to maneuver around turns and it shook all ta hell.
About the most juvenile brakes I ever had the dissatisfaction
of operating.