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MOTO GUZZI V85 - Riko_imp - 11-09-2017
product page:
http://discoverv85.motoguzzi.com/en/
Videos:
Its the first time I'll say this about my CB, I never thought I would, but dang I mean it, if Guzzi decides to produce this thing, I'll be trading my CB (if a testride is as good as the looks)
High quality shocks, big 21L tank, tough looks, shaft drive and 80hp.
Only question, what will the wet weight be if this bike goes into production, lighter than the CB?
What a gorgeous bike!
RE: MOTO GUZZI V85 - the Ferret - 11-09-2017
One could possibly replace the ST one day, but no way would I trade my CB in on one, so I voted no.
RE: MOTO GUZZI V85 - LongRanger_imp - 11-09-2017
Very glad to see the bike, but I voted no too. Limited dealership network makes owning a Guzzi a poor value proposition for me.
RE: MOTO GUZZI V85 - use2b_imp - 11-09-2017
I vote no as it just doesn't work for me , a brand new CX500 would be nice
RE: Moto Guzzi V85 - rotor - 11-09-2017
(11-09-2017, 06:20 AM)Riko_imp Wrote: product page:
http://discoverv85.motoguzzi.com/en/
Videos:
Its the first time I'll say this about my CB, I never thought I would, but dang I mean it, if Guzzi decides to produce this thing, I'll be trading my CB (if a testride is as good as the looks)
High quality shocks, big 21L tank, tough looks, shaft drive and 80hp.
Only question, what will the wet weight be if this bike goes into production, lighter than the CB?
What a gorgeous bike!
Looks sharp, but when it comes to my hard-earned money, I have every right to my prejudices. An Italian bike? Only after a few years of independent statistics on the reliability.
I do not consider shaft as an advantage, perhaps au-contraire, but it would not automatically disqualify this bike. However, I would (will?) seriously consider a motorcycle with only half the required number of cylinders if and when I realize there is no I4 around that I am capable of managing the mass of.
Also, what's with the hot pipe on the left side of the bike? Is that some enduro-style abomination I'm not familiar with? OK, there's no chain access to consider, but still - why?
RE: MOTO GUZZI V85 - SportsterDoc - 11-09-2017
I rode my 2016 MG V7II for 7,000 miles in 7 months, this year (Feb-Sep)
Loved the shaft drive, light weight (417 #) and 5.8 gallon tank.
However, fueling was frustrating.
Cold: Wait at least a minute before even thinking of letting out the clutch.
Hot (after even 5-10 minutes in a store): Wait at least 30-45 seconds before even thinking of letting out the clutch.
If going immediately is an absolute must, then give it a lot of Rs and prepare to smell the dry clutch.
I suspect that the heated O2 sensor needs to come up to temp before the closed loop system will think properly.
The "normal" rattle in the dry clutch assembly is annoying.
Best to test ride one, before voting yes.
Just my 2 cents.
RE: MOTO GUZZI V85 - LongRanger_imp - 11-09-2017
My two DTB V7C's were cold-blooded too, but it wasn't a deal breaker.
RE: MOTO GUZZI V85 - Riko_imp - 11-09-2017
I have let go cliché prejudice about Italian bikes after currently owning a 1200 Multistrada.
Sure, there are panel gaps, doubtful quality plastic tabs etc...
Small things actually when you put that next to the riding experience and whole package.
Basic rule, take care of your expensive Italian and it will last too.
At least my Multi hasn't left me stranded (yet?) as did my CB (wich now has been working flawless as I expect from a Honda)
That said, some more high res and close up pics of high spec components such as Ohlins and Brembos.
Its all about the details when looking at those pics, the headlight, the front engine cover...rarely seen such nice details on a modern bike since the...CB1100
Wonder if the controls and dash are up ther too...because when sitting on a V7 back in 2014, that was a joke tbh.
Buttons and quality were a joke and felt flimsy..
I do fear a high price tag if this will ever come out...
(11-09-2017, 08:34 AM)SportsterDoc_imp Wrote: I rode my 2016 MG V7II for 7,000 miles in 7 months, this year (Feb-Sep)
Loved the shaft drive, light weight (417 #) and 5.8 gallon tank.
However, fueling was frustrating.
Cold: Wait at least a minute before even thinking of letting out the clutch.
Hot (after even 5-10 minutes in a store): Wait at least 30-45 seconds before even thinking of letting out the clutch.
If going immediately is an absolute must, then give it a lot of Rs and prepare to smell the dry clutch.
I suspect that the heated O2 sensor needs to come up to temp before the closed loop system will think properly.
The "normal" rattle in the dry clutch assembly is annoying.
Best to test ride one, before voting yes.
Just my 2 cents.
Owners advice is the best, thx, I'll bookmark this thread for sure
The normal V7 is rated around 213kg wet, thats about 50kg lighter than my EX.
RE: MOTO GUZZI V85 - SportsterDoc - 11-09-2017
(11-09-2017, 08:42 AM)LongRanger_imp Wrote: My two DTB V7C's were cold-blooded too, but it wasn't a deal breaker.
I lived with it...adapted.
Then a no idle without throttle issue developed at about 6,000 miles/6 months.
I tightened the rubber intake bands and normal idle returned (maybe correlation / maybe not).
Then I took it from Las Vegas to Clarkdale, AZ (~300 miles via Route 66) to see youngest daughter and 3 of my 13 grandkids.
Got almost there, taking Mingus Mountain (highway 89A) through Jerome.
Came to a stop sign and it died.
Restarted easily, but needed throttle to idle.
It was annoying, especially while giving grandkids a ride.
Checked valve clearance. Spot on at 0.006 intake and 0.008 exhaust.
Told my daughter than if Kingman has a CB1100, I will trade on the way home. Normal idle returned by the time I got to Chino Valley.
Kingman did not have a CB1100, so when I got home, I traded for a Yamaha XT250.
The local MG, Triumph, Ducati dealer changed ownership.
Old owners were good guys. New owner is an idiot, completely offseting good terms with sales, parts and service.
No way I wanted to leave the bike for weeks at an overworked shop (they buy a lot of bikes at auction) to diagnose an intermittent issue.
Had fun with the XT250. EFI was flawless, but now I have what I want and hope to keep the CB1100 for a long time.
(11-09-2017, 08:49 AM)Riko_imp Wrote: I have let go cliché prejudice about Italian bikes after currently owning a 1200 Multistrada.
Sure, there are panel gaps, doubtful quality plastic tabs etc...
Small things actually when you put that next to the riding experience and whole package.
Basic rule, take care of your expensive Italian and it will last too.
At least my Multi hasn't left me stranded (yet?) as did my CB (wich now has been working flawless as I expect from a Honda)
That said, some more high res and close up pics of high spec components such as Ohlins and Brembos.
Its all about the details when looking at those pics, the headlight, the front engine cover...rarely seen such nice details on a modern bike since the...CB1100
Wonder if the controls and dash are up ther too...because when sitting on a V7 back in 2014, that was a joke tbh.
Buttons and quality were a joke and felt flimsy..
I do fear a high price tag if this will ever come out...
(11-09-2017, 08:34 AM)SportsterDoc_imp Wrote: I rode my 2016 MG V7II for 7,000 miles in 7 months, this year (Feb-Sep)
Loved the shaft drive, light weight (417 #) and 5.8 gallon tank.
However, fueling was frustrating.
Cold: Wait at least a minute before even thinking of letting out the clutch.
Hot (after even 5-10 minutes in a store): Wait at least 30-45 seconds before even thinking of letting out the clutch.
If going immediately is an absolute must, then give it a lot of Rs and prepare to smell the dry clutch.
I suspect that the heated O2 sensor needs to come up to temp before the closed loop system will think properly.
The "normal" rattle in the dry clutch assembly is annoying.
Best to test ride one, before voting yes.
Just my 2 cents.
Owners advice is the best, thx, I'll bookmark this thread for sure
The normal V7 is rated around 213kg wet, thats about 50kg lighter than my EX.
There was much to admire on the V7II.
I believe drive train to be durable, but fuel programs for the V7 II were wanting.
Did not like giving up the shaft drive.
This was my comments on the V7 II after two weeks:
1. Love the low end torque...and I am already accustomed to H-D Sportsters.
2. Love the 5.8 gallon fuel tank
3. Love the light weight
4. Love accessibility for checking spark plugs
5. Love the black powder coated alloy wheels (does not show grime and I really appreciate tubeless tires)
6. Love key access to seat removal (two bolts on Bonneville and one bolt on Sportsters)
7. Love the seat height...not too low...not to high
8. Love the storage under the seat for a small tool bag, spare fuses, spare spark plugs, 6x9 zip lock bag of schematics, etc.
9. Love readability of the gauges...although the numbers could be a tad bigger for 70 year old eyes
10. Love the ground clearance and lean angle capabilities
11. Love the shaft drive
12. Air filter (AP8104924) is inexpensive at $8 - $9
13. Spark plugs (NGK CPR8EB-9) can be ordered from O'Reilly's for $4.49 each
14. Yuasa YTX14-BS battery equivalent is stocked at my local O'Reillys (ETX14), a factory filled AGM for $102.99
15. The 3 relays (headlight on after startup, start and injectors) are the same part number (AP8224462) and are only about $7
16. Appreciate easy access to air filter, fuses and battery, although 3 relays are under the fuel tank
17. Most sensors (and injectors) are easy access (right head temp, oil pressure switch, engine RPM, etc), but some are not (neutral switch, TPS, coils)
18. Seat has been comfortable for up 6 hour days, thus far; whereas both Sportsters and Bonneville seat required upgrades for more than 50 miles. Can better evaluate after a 300+ mile, 5 hour+ run to Stove Pipe Wells in Death Valley, planned for the end of March.
19. This is the first bike which may remain absolutely stock, other than a Dart Marlin flyscreen, removal of decals and stickers and LED tail/stop 1157.
20. Only negatives are:
Major
A. the lean mixture, both cold start (likes 2 minutes +) and even after a "warm" start after only a few minutes shutdown, which likes almost a full minute after re-start.
Minor
B. a few things are crowded under the tank/between the heads (throttle body, coil, etc.)
C. Haven't figured out how to get a lift to the frame, to miss the exhaust and side stand switch.
RE: MOTO GUZZI V85 - Banned_imp - 11-09-2017
Did they forget the left side rear shock? Looks kind of odd without it.