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First oil change, first problem (or two) - rboe - 11-10-2013
Backing out of the parking spot at the Grotto this morning she seemed a bit hard to push. Didn't think much of it so I continued home.
Fixed a pinched oil line on the 650L so I was feeling my oats and decided to change the oil on the CB since I had 590 miles on her. All went well until I tried to remove the oil filter. I could get the filter wrench on it but once loosened there was no room between the wrench/filter and the headers so it was pipe wrench time. Got that sucker off.
New filter and oil installed so I checked the chain and spun the rear wheel. Grinding noises! Rear pads, perhaps more the inside one, was binding on the disc. Looked closer and the black paint had been cooked off the disk.
Looks like a warranty visit.
Never had this problem before so I"m not sure how to trouble shoot. Nothing in the shop manual about it. I'd tear into the caliper if it was off warranty but since it's not; I'll let the Honda boys have a look see at it.
RE: First oil change, first problem (or two) - The Spaceman_imp - 11-11-2013
Either the caliper is not installed properly, or the piston is sticking in it's cylinder. Either way I'd take it to the shop and let them deal with it too.
Do you have an ABS bike?
RE: First oil change, first problem (or two) - Deanohh_imp - 11-11-2013
The rear has one piston and has to float freely on the pins that it hangs on. That inboard pad moves with the caliper frame and if the caliper sticks on the pins, the inner can't move away from the rotor when the brake us released. If its not stuck you could move the whole caliper a small amount with your hand in a direction towards the rotor and away from the rotor.
its warranty and you shouldn't have to fix it yourself.
RE: First oil change, first problem (or two) - rboe - 11-11-2013
Non-ABS. Actuating the brake pedal I see movement on the caliper. But I suspect not nearly enough. At this point I'll wiggle my nose and have it magically fixed.
Sometime this week I have to remove my rear pads on the Griso so I can have the shop replace those (oil contamination from a otiker clamp that was not pinched) so both street bikes will be down due to rear brake issues. Oiy!
RE: First oil change, first problem (or two) - rboe - 11-11-2013
It's at the dealers now. We'll see how it goes. Can't say I'm real encouraged by their attitude but it has always (on the service side) been a bit problematic.
RE: First oil change, first problem (or two) - The Spaceman_imp - 11-11-2013
it sucks when dealerships act stupid about warranty work. They're getting well paid by the manufacturer for it. It's not like they're doing you a favor.
If its really bad, I'd take the time to talk to the management about it. We had a terrible service manager at the HD dealership I worked in, but few customers complained because they were worried about pissing Bill off and thgetting even worse service. It finally got to the owners attention and he replaced the guy.
RE: First oil change, first problem (or two) - rboe - 11-11-2013
I'll just take to another dealer that is abit further away but I now the service manage (rebuilt my 650L on the side). The manager was there when I dropped it off; I simply told him that they would do me right, it was expected. We shall see.
Got a late call yesterday; they had looked at it without tearing into it. They need to take it apart and call Honda about it.
RE: First oil change, first problem (or two) - rboe - 11-12-2013
They talked to Honda, Honda is not aware of a similar problems in the field and suspect the swing arm or the caliper casting (or both but what are the odds of That!) are out of spec. They expect a call back from Honda this afternoon (I'm assuming photo's were taken - sure beats the old days when the Honda rep had to stop by for a look see).
RE: First oil change, first problem (or two) - rboe - 11-18-2013
Still waiting for Honda to decide what to do. I was able to compare my bike to a new one on the floor and can see at least part of the problem. The casting that the caliper pins are attached to, the main caliper casting rubs the disc at the inner most edge. Very very odd.
Now the disc still has scoring on the disc like the rivets from the pads (but they seem to have some meat to them).
RE: First oil change, first problem (or two) - rboe - 11-20-2013
Dealer called today and said Honda is going to replace the rotor (brake disc) saying it is warped. Well the part that is rubbing is on the inner edge where all the fasteners are, how in the hell can it warp there?
Oh well, we'll see what happens when they bolt up the new part. But I'm pretty skeptical.