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Flashed ECU for CB1100 - CIP57_imp - 03-24-2014
There is a company based in Europe with a presents in California with tuners across the USA. ECUnleashed has been around for a long time and works with track teams. I have personal had work done on several bikes.
Just went to there website and BOOM the have added the CB1100. I will be putting in a call to them when they open to get more info. Go to the link below where you can find a local tuner and lets see what they have. I'm very surprised they took the time for R&D for this bike.
http://ecunleashed.com/product/2013-honda-cb1100-2/
All Honda ECU's must go out to California to be flashed. Honda unlike Kawi or Suzuki can not be flashed by the external pins and must be drilled to access an internal pin. The turn around time is two weeks. Still waiting on what the flash includes.
RE: Flashed ECU for CB1100 - Deanohh_imp - 03-25-2014
I'll ask Nels at 2 wheel dynoworks which is on their dealers liist. When he did my pcv map, he mentioned he had been flashing certain bike ecus that various guys globally had cracked certain ecus, but not mine. Sometimes guys would just send in the ecu to be done.
hopefully he has details of what exactly the ecu changes would be. For ecu tuning his price list is 199+.
RE: Flashed ECU for CB1100 - CIP57_imp - 03-25-2014
(03-25-2014, 12:46 AM)Deanohh_imp Wrote: I'll ask Nels at 2 wheel dynoworks which is on their dealers liist. When he did my pcv map, he mentioned he had been flashing certain bike ecus that various guys globally had cracked certain ecus, but not mine. Sometimes guys would just send in the ecu to be done.
hopefully he has details of what exactly the ecu changes would be. For ecu tuning his price list is 199+.
Thanks Dean
I have a e-mail into the company. Lets collect all info before we make a determination on exactly what we can expect.
RE: Flashed ECU for CB1100 - HikerToo_imp - 03-25-2014
How do the ECU flash files get applied?
Once purchased do you own it, apply as needed, maybe via USB?
Do they give you the factory/OEM one to go back to if needed?
or do they need the ECU in person to apply it?
RE: Flashed ECU for CB1100 - Tortuga_imp - 03-25-2014
(03-25-2014, 05:24 AM)HikerToo_imp Wrote: How do the ECU flash files get applied?
Once purchased do you own it, apply as needed, maybe via USB?
Do they give you the factory/OEM one to go back to if needed?
or do they need the ECU in person to apply it?
From my limited experience it's the latter. Normally the dealer/tuner will have a laptop with some software on to perform the flash.
He'll connect the cable from the PC to the bike's ECU port and then run the update. Old ECU map is smoke, and if he fudges it up, so's your ECU
Has anyone considered the warranty/reliability implications of this work?
I don't want to be a stick in the mud, but it bought this bike because Honda spent a guzzillion yen designing it. If I wanted to go as fast as possible I'd have just bought a CB1000R and tuned the socks off it!
I want my bike for a long time, not a good time!
RE: Flashed ECU for CB1100 - thessler3_imp - 03-25-2014
For those that don't like the speed limiter it sounds like everyone's prayers are answered. I hope to see a detailed writeup soon.
RE: Flashed ECU for CB1100 - Inline4_imp - 03-25-2014
I wish I knew WTF you guys are talking about!
Right now I'm missing the usefulness of my Morgan CarbTune II.
Actually as most of you know, dialing in a bank of four carbs after a re-jet can be daunting as hell too, but at least I "somewhat" understand what's going on!
RE: Flashed ECU for CB1100 - Red Mist_imp - 03-25-2014
ECU reflash is simply reprogramming the parameters of the electronic control unit. Anything in there that's changeable can be changed, such as fuel mapping, ignition timing curves (per gear), factory speed restrictions, engine braking, and so on.
You have to remove your ECU and send it to the provider.
ECU reflashing is done by trial and error oftentimes. Dyno tuning is a must for establishing the parameters.
The ECU can be reflashed to the stock program or changed at any time, for most ECUs.
The CB1100 has been up on that website for months but as to whether they have actually developed an effective and safe flash, that remains to be seen.
(03-25-2014, 05:39 AM)Tortuga_imp Wrote:(03-25-2014, 05:24 AM)HikerToo_imp Wrote: How do the ECU flash files get applied?
Once purchased do you own it, apply as needed, maybe via USB?
Do they give you the factory/OEM one to go back to if needed?
or do they need the ECU in person to apply it?
From my limited experience it's the latter. Normally the dealer/tuner will have a laptop with some software on to perform the flash.
He'll connect the cable from the PC to the bike's ECU port and then run the update. Old ECU map is smoke, and if he fudges it up, so's your ECU
Has anyone considered the warranty/reliability implications of this work?
I don't want to be a stick in the mud, but it bought this bike because Honda spent a guzzillion yen designing it. If I wanted to go as fast as possible I'd have just bought a CB1000R and tuned the socks off it!
I want my bike for a long time, not a good time!
From my limited experience it's the latter. Normally the dealer/tuner will have a laptop with some software on to perform the flash.
He'll connect the cable from the PC to the bike's ECU port and then run the update. Old ECU map is smoke, and if he fudges it up, so's your ECU
Has anyone considered the warranty/reliability implications of this work?
I don't want to be a stick in the mud, but it bought this bike because Honda spent a guzzillion yen designing it. If I wanted to go as fast as possible I'd have just bought a CB1000R and tuned the socks off it!
I want my bike for a long time, not a good time!
Truth is the CB1100 runs very well as is; some bikes do respond well to a good reflash, though.
RE: Flashed ECU for CB1100 - Deanohh_imp - 03-25-2014
For the Triumph, I got a Volkswagon type cable and download a free program and it accesses the ecu directly, with check boxes and fill ins for fueling, rpm limit, o2 on or off, air injecton on or off, speedo correction %, and other parameters. Your change what you want, reset, and your done. Except in 2013 they locked us out and the newer Triumphs done give us access.
Anyway talking with Nels, he had done a lot of the common bikes.... zx10's, R1's, R6's, Cbr600r's etc. hasn't done a CB1100. Says its a bit of an unknown until results of the work can be verified before and after on dyno. Says most Hondas cost more to do because several parameters are not accessable with the pins. On those, the ecu must be sent to California and work done at ecunleased because they have to drill a hole in the case to access the circuit board trace(s) they need.... then afterwards unsolder their wire and epoxy up the hole. If they break it they buy a new one. Some bikes get huge hp results like the ZX10 20-30 hp... but the CB600R is tuned so well at the factory to compete with r6's that they get no hp gain at all from the process.
He would like a photo of the ecu with serial number to send an inquiry as to what can be manipulated. Fuel, rev limiter, timing?, speed limiter are probable, eliminate need for PCV?.. not sure what else until they do one. Not sure if the bike they have the data for was stock or had add on's. I can get him the photo if a few days so he can make a specific inquiry. Depending on if the ecu needs to go down there to be opened up or not it might cost $500. You can't change anything in real time like with the PCV. Has to be changed, dynod, changed, dynod, until satisfied.[/align] My bike is running pretty good with the PCV already so I'll need more details
RE: Flashed ECU for CB1100 - CIP57_imp - 03-25-2014
(03-25-2014, 09:18 AM)Inline4_imp Wrote: I wish I knew WTF you guys are talking about!
Right now I'm missing the usefulness of my Morgan CarbTune II.
Actually as most of you know, dialing in a bank of four carbs after a re-jet can be daunting as hell too, but at least I "somewhat" understand what's going on!
Bikes come to the states and have to meet strict emission control. Bikes sent to Europe usually have a different flash than the USA, although probably not the case with the CB1100.
The flash company will Dyno the bike to get the best performance by removing certain codes
Timing retard ( which usually is 1, 2, and 3rd gear which can be fooled with a Timing retarder eliminator by Ivans making the bike always think its in fourth gear Timing retard forces the bike to decel at open throttle at lower RPM's ( our bike show little to no timing retard )
Optimizes your fuel and air ratio same as a PC5 and permanently locks them in ( you can still run a PC5 to tweak if necessary no need for a reflash)
Eliminates top speed restriction and 02 sensor
Air intake flappers
Pc5's tend to lose there parameters and need to be tweaked once in a while, a flash will not.
Benefits for this bike:
02 sensor gone
Speed limiter gone
Optimized fuel and air ratio ( removal of catalytic converter a big plus )
At this point mine is stock ( i do like HondaJon's setup ) but want to optimize fuel ratio and get rid of the speed limiter and 02 sensor.
I'm sure there is more to explain but our bikes are very simple compared to the sport bikes today.