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The Oil Thread & Filter Cross Reference - mvk24_imp - 05-21-2019
Hey guys, Couldn't find a dedicated oil thread on here like we have over at XJrider. Those are threads where information is sorted and referenced to keep the topic relevant and information in one place.
I did an oil change with the OEM filter and tried the Honda GN4 new formula oil.. my bike almost immediately hated the oil. It was clunky when it shifted and the oil looked fairly dirty after a few hundred miles. I also found that my gear indicator was having trouble telling me the gear I was in after shifting.
I came to find out thus far my local shop Funwheels here in Long Island, NY was running Full Synthetic Motul 10w-50 in my bike... and it felt great and shifted smooth the past 10k miles (all in which I put on it last season)
Any how they explained that with the hot riding season we have and traffic (NYC suburbs) when the oils break down they lose lubricating properties and you start doing damage (obviously). So the full synthetic Motul choice is made to tolerate much higher temperatures and sticks to everything almost like the old Rotella Formula used to. (They removed the Zinc Phosphorus from the formula so now Rotella is just cheap oil)
On top of that going up to a 10W-50 (manuals call for 10w-30) helps so that by the time the oil thins out from stress and heat its knocking down to the properties of 10w-30. This helps our Air-Cooled Engines stay lubricated properly even in the hottest temperatures instead of a baseline 10w-30 then losing lubrocity under heat and stress.
So I bought the bottles from the dealer and changed the oil back at my house. Stripped the nut on the oil filter so had to go out and grab another from Walmart instead of waiting to order in an OEM. But i could not find any cross reference numbers. So with some digging online I found a website we have used in the past that had the information I needed.
Now I understand that Oil viscosity and filter opinions are a dime a dozen and i will not push my opinion on anyone. All I intend to do is leave this information here for anyone that may be interested and anyone like me that needs to know what oil filter cross reference they can grab from a local Walmart. The Motul is serious stuff and is literally red fluid and not brownish clear like typical oil. The bike loves it and is nothing but smooth again.
I also used the Mobil 1 M1-108 oil filter, Ironically its the same size and code for my 93 Yamaha Xj600 Seca also and have never had any issues with this specific filter.
The 2014 Honda Cb1100 Engine Oil Capacity is as follows
After Draining - 4.0US qt (3.8 liters)
After Draining & Chaning Oil Filter - 4.1 US qts (3.9 liters)
After Opening The Case - 5.2 US qts (4.9 liters) [/b]
The Recommended Oil Type is SAE 10W-30
The Oil Filter Cross Reference is from the following link https://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/FilterXRef.html#5
Due to the forums photo size constraints i am going to copy and post the information here instead of adding an easy to read screenshot of it.
These Oil Filters
have M20x1.5 threads,
14 psi by-pass valve,
anti-drain back valve,
2.3" O.D. gasket
2.5" to 3.5" long.
If you have the room, I recommend the longer filters.
Purolator has changed their filters from a concave to a convex fitting surface, so they no longer seal on some motorcycles.
Motorcycle Filters
AC Delco PF2135
AMSOil SMF103
Carquest 85358
AC Delco PF2135
FRAM PH6017A
Honda 15410-MCJ-000
K&N KN-204, about $13. Metric nut on end for easy removal.
Mobil M1MC-134
NAPA Gold 1358
Purolator ML16817. Imported, not made by Purolator.
STP SMO 17
WIX 51358
Recommended filters.
All have superior filtering.
About 2.5 inches long.
Purolator One PL14612, about $6.
Mobil M1-108, about $12.
About 3.25 inches long.
Purolator One PL14610, about $6.
Purolator Boss PBL14610.
Royal Purple 10-2808.
Mobil 1 M1-110, about $10.
Automobile Filters,
about 2.5 inches long.
AC Delco PF1237
Baldwin B1400
Firestone TF2876
Hastings LF113
NAPA Gold 1365
Purolator L14612
STP S-02876
WalMart SuperTech ST6607
WIX 51365
Automobile Filters,
about 3.25 inches long.
AC Delco PF-2057
Auto Pro 2356
Autopride CF240AP
Baldwin B1402
Carquest 85356
Carquest Red B4620
Casite CF240
Castrol 7317
Champion Labs Ph2867
Defense Filters Dl7317
Deutsch D-370
Federated Filters LF240F
Fram Double Guard DG7317
Fram PH7317
Automobile Filters,
about 3.25 inches long.
Fram Tough Guard TG7317
Fram Xtra Guard XG7317
Group 7 V4610
Group 7 V4620
Hastings LF240
Mighty M4612
Millard ML-3593
Motorcraft Long Life FL-821
Napa FIL1356
Napa Gold 1356
Parts Plus PH2867
Pennzoil PZ-109
Penske 7317
Powerflo SL14610
Powerflo SL14620
Pro Gauge PGO-4620
Pro Tec 164
Promotive PH4610
Pronto PO3593A
Purolator L14610
Service Champ OF-4622
Shell SH48
Shell SH529
Stp S-02867.
Valvoline VO50
Warner PH2867
Wix 51356
RE: The Oil Thread & Filter Cross Reference - Cormanus - 05-21-2019
Thanks for all the information, mvk24. I think the Honda manual recommends 10W-40 for warmer weather riding. Like you I’ve been unhappy with the Honda GN4; I find it makes the gearbox very clunky when hot.
You may like to note that we have had 4 or 5 reports of the K&N oil filters failing at the nut. I witnessed one of them. It was not good. In all cases people were lucky to escape a nasty off or damage to their engine.
RE: The Oil Thread & Filter Cross Reference - LongRanger_imp - 05-21-2019
Thanks mvk24. This is a good reference. Personally, I just follow the manufacturer's recommendation and not sweat the details, but I know a lot of folks here will get value from this.
RE: The Oil Thread & Filter Cross Reference - mvk24_imp - 05-21-2019
Thanks guys happy to help. My use of specific oil is also pertinent to the Geographic location I live/ride in. I'm sure different conditions the recommended 10w-30 would be fine. With all of my vehicles (bikes, trucks, boats) I've always been huge on preventive maintenance and caution.
RE: The Oil Thread & Filter Cross Reference - GoldOxide_imp - 05-21-2019
Nice effort mvk24. Thanks for the cross-reference.
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I have used Honda GN4 10W40 many times and had average satisfaction with it, especially when the oil was fresh.
I also used Motul 5100 10W40 many times and it is a joy.
This year I am using Rotella T6 5W40 and so far
the shift and engine sound (quieter) has been fantastic, possibly a better experience than the Motul 5100.
RE: The Oil Thread & Filter Cross Reference - DBM_imp - 05-22-2019
"This year I am using Rotella T6 5W40 and so far the shift and engine sound (quieter) has been fantastic"
I've been using Rotella T4 for break in, and T6 after that for many years. I buy it a Wally World for about 1/3 the price of motorcycle specific oil at the bike shops. If you compare the specs on the labels, it's a no brainer.
RE: The Oil Thread & Filter Cross Reference - mvk24_imp - 05-22-2019
(05-21-2019, 12:25 PM)GoldOxide_imp Wrote: Nice effort mvk24. Thanks for the cross-reference.
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I have used Honda GN4 10W40 many times and had average satisfaction with it, especially when the oil was fresh.
I also used Motul 5100 10W40 many times and it is a joy.
This year I am using Rotella T6 5W40 and so far
T6 is their full synthetic correct? Good to know. I was referencing the standard conventional diesel oil that's normally a few dollars for a gallon at Walmart. Most of the guys swear by it on older bikes specifically the XJ600s but now I'll be adding Zinc Phos to the oil
RE: The Oil Thread & Filter Cross Reference - Gone in 60 - 05-22-2019
Wow, started reading this and realized I have K&N KN204 filters on both my CB and my Bonneville. Have a friend who used to work there, so I have a few left on my shelf, and hadn't heard about the problems with them.
I downloaded the information about K&N's recall on this filter: https://www.knfilters.com/recallkn204
and will be checking my date codes tonight! Looks like the bad ones were made during 2006.
Funny thing is, I had half a case of the Honda OEM filters left over from my last Nighthawk, which I sold in 2014. I sold the filters not too long ago, not realizing I'd be buying another Honda just a few months later.
The Oil Thread & Filter Cross Reference - Cormanus - 05-22-2019
The claim that the filters were made in 2006 is interesting. They didn’t turn up until 2015-16. That’s some stockpile.
RE: The Oil Thread & Filter Cross Reference - mvk24_imp - 05-22-2019
Definitely interesting information. Come to think of it we (other friends of mine included) stripped multiple KN oil filters from the nut. Had a hell of a time putting holes through one with a screw driver one time to twist it off... Not as easy as it sounds.