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Caution when re-fueling, diesel on the deck. - meowguy_imp - 09-09-2013
Pulled into my local gas station which recently installed diesel at several of the pumps. I used one of those pumps today and won't use a pump again if equipped with diesel. When a person spills diesel on the ground it does not evaporate like gasoline does. It just lies there and makes an oily - slippery mess on the ground.
So doing my straddling-the-bike fill up routine, I was surprised when I put my left foot down to balance the bike and my left foot slipped out from under like I was wearing roller blades. Luckily I put down the kick stand before I do anything, and that saved the day. Had it been my right foot, I would have landed on the gas pump.
Just a heads up.
RE: Caution when re-fueling, diesel on the deck. - Utah1_imp - 09-09-2013
Yep I steer clear of the pumps with green nozzles, dirty diesels! Another great reason to fill up at Coscto as they don't sell diesel here.
RE: Caution when re-fueling, diesel on the deck. - ChipBeck_imp - 09-09-2013
Good point and a great tip. I'm a Chevron dealer in Phoenix and we sell diesel at some of our pumps. The gas only pumps are easy to clean and the area around them stays nice for a long time. Even large gas spills evaporate very quickly. The diesel pumps are a bi*** to clean and the area around them requires constant attention and can be very slippery.
Here is a little trivia for you. Did you know that jet engines run on diesel fuel? The Jet A that is pumped into an airliner is slightly more refined than the diesel that goes into a semi-truck. A diesel car or truck will run just fine on jet fuel and a jet will run on diesel car fuel but because Jet A is more resistant to thickening and freezing at high altitudes it's not legal to use diesel in an aircraft.
Chip
RE: Caution when re-fueling, diesel on the deck. - The Spaceman_imp - 09-09-2013
Speaking of slick: antifreeze. My Concours popped a hose just as I was exiting the Interstate. I was following a friend down the ramp and my bike started sliding like crazy. At first I thought it was the road, but my pal was fine. The bike would slide, I'd get it back, then again. I finally got pulled over to find coolant all over the rear if the bike. That stuff is lime oil on ice.
Something CB riders will never worry about!
RE: Caution when re-fueling, diesel on the deck. - thumper_imp - 09-09-2013
(09-09-2013, 02:15 AM)ChipBeck_imp Wrote: Good point and a great tip. I'm a Chevron dealer in Phoenix and we sell diesel at some of our pumps. The gas only pumps are easy to clean and the area around them stays nice for a long time. Even large gas spills evaporate very quickly. The diesel pumps are a bi*** to clean and the area around them requires constant attention and can be very slippery.
Here is a little trivia for you. Did you know that jet engines run on diesel fuel? The Jet A that is pumped into an airliner is slightly more refined than the diesel that goes into a semi-truck. A diesel car or truck will run just fine on jet fuel and a jet will run on diesel car fuel but because Jet A is more resistant to thickening and freezing at high altitudes it's not legal to use diesel in an aircraft.
Chip
I know how sooty Jet A turns the vertical stabilizer in my helicopter--and Jet A is very clean--it evaporates like gasoline when spilled.
I can't imagine how nasty/oily/greasy diesel would burn in a jet turbine. I'd be cleaning for days after a flight!
RE: Caution when re-fueling, diesel on the deck. - Mackerel_imp - 09-09-2013
Yep our helos are always stained black from JP-5...
RE: Caution when re-fueling, diesel on the deck. - Lord Popgun - 09-09-2013
Hey Chip,
Back in the day when I was young and a line boy at Hilton Head airport, we used to put an additive called Prist(sp?) into the Jet A1 as we filled the plane. It was in a spray can with a little hose line that clipped onto the fuel nozzle. You sprayed it in as you pumped the fuel. I think it was an anti-ice/anti growth additive.
Is that stuff still used?
RE: Caution when re-fueling, diesel on the deck. - ron1100_imp - 09-10-2013
Thanks for the heads up on this. Didn't realize the slickness of diesel.
RE: Caution when re-fueling, diesel on the deck. - ChipBeck_imp - 09-10-2013
(09-09-2013, 08:50 PM)Lord Popgun_imp Wrote: Hey Chip,
Back in the day when I was young and a line boy at Hilton Head airport, we used to put an additive called Prist(sp?) into the Jet A1 as we filled the plane. It was in a spray can with a little hose line that clipped onto the fuel nozzle. You sprayed it in as you pumped the fuel. I think it was an anti-ice/anti growth additive.
Is that stuff still used?
Popgun,
Yes, Prist is still used but not much here in Arizona. It has to be sprayed in as a jet or helicopter is being fueled and it keeps any water in the fuel from freezing. You see it used in very cold temps or in planes that will be flying into very cold temps. It's always super cold up in the jet stream and I don't know how low temps need to be before Prist is called for. Cheers.
Chip
RE: Caution when re-fueling, diesel on the deck. - Firstfour_imp - 09-11-2013
(09-10-2013, 12:25 AM)ron1100_imp Wrote: Thanks for the heads up on this. Didn't realize the slickness of diesel.
The narrator demonstrates just that in the last scene of this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMH8n8C04UQ