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Cb1100 trail braking - bigsheep_imp - 04-28-2017
I'm taking a course on advanced handling in a few weeks. It's the Lee Parks total control level 1. Part of the course involves trail braking. Does the combined braking on the cb reduce the effectiveness of trail braking? Has anyone else taken this course?
RE: Cb1100 trail braking - Stichill_imp - 04-28-2017
Envious that you are taking TC1! Much coolness. I have not done it yet.
On my CBR250R, Combined Braking means rear pedal applies pressure on the center of the front 3-piston caliper after a delay. Trail braking is properly done with front brake only, so should not be a problem if CB is similar.
RE: Cb1100 trail braking - tinboatcapt_imp - 04-28-2017
I have not ridden a combined brake bike, but I can't see that the technique would be affected as you would be learning it with how your bike responds. It isn't rocket science. Brake hard to get down to the speed you wish to enter the corner, begin releasing the brake and hold or smoothly add power. The point is to hold the front tire firmly on the terra firma. One is avoiding the over use of the rear brake to prevent lock up and a potential high side. Remember, you will be braking HARD because your are riding near the limits of adhesion. The rear wheel should be near or at a point of floating.
This is not a street technique. This is for track day or racing. And, of course, for advance technique class where there is run off room and someone to pick your A** up.
Jim
RE: Cb1100 trail braking - curlyjoe - 04-28-2017
The only CB1100 with a combined braking system is the '13 w/ ABS. Applying the rear brake at some threshold pressure will engage the center piston on the right front caliper. The front brakes, however, are not linked to the rear brake.
RE: Cb1100 trail braking - emptysea - 04-28-2017
I think that curlyjoe answered the question at hand. However, I want to point out that trail braking is a perfectly legitimate technique for street use. http://www.ridinginthezone.com/10-things-you-need-to-know-about-trailbraking/
I have not taken the Lee Parks course, but I'm interested in doing so. I hope it goes well for you. Take pictures and report back on it.
RE: Cb1100 trail braking - the Ferret - 04-28-2017
Here is the definition of trail braking as I know it
Trail braking is a technique that is done by continuing to brake beyond the turn-in point. You then gradually “trail” off the brakes as you lean until there is no brake pressure by the time you are at full lean. Trail braking is most useful for tighter turns with a relatively high approach speed.
But basically it means to me that I can go straighter into the corner at higher speed, brake harder, downshift while continuing to brake, as I lean hard into the apex, left off brakes and accelerate out
versus a leisurely approach to the corner where I brake and down shift prior to entering the turn, leaning and coasting through a larger arc and accelerating earlier to pull me around and out if that makes sense.
RE: Cb1100 trail braking - Capo - 04-29-2017
There should be no impact on your ability to comfortably trail brake the CB based on combined braking systems. The front brakes will still account for the vast majority of the braking power, and unless you are talking about track day speeds and lean angles, there won't be an issue. You're taking the course for better road skills, on the bike you plan on riding on the road, so it will be fine.
RE: Cb1100 trail braking - bigsheep_imp - 04-29-2017
I have a 2013 non abs so I guess I have independent brakes after all. I thought trail braking was using the rear brake only for more stability in slow speed maneuvers like the police do. Good thing I'm taking the course!
RE: Cb1100 trail braking - bigsheep_imp - 04-29-2017
My misconceptions about what trail braking is is directly from misuse of the term at my MSF course.