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Lane Filtering ... - GoldOxide_imp - 05-24-2019
[url=https://www.rideapart.com/articles/351381/wwtf-why-lane-filtering-matters/]Weekend WTF: This Is Why We Need Lane Filtering
RE: Lane Filtering ... - pdedse - 05-24-2019
I don't know...I go back and forth on this. I understand the benefit to those who ride--avoid rear end collisions, more efficient traffic flow and saves time for riders...but:
While I've seen filtering or splitting a bit in CA, I just don't ride much in rush hour type traffic to appreciate the advantages. I know the first few times a motorcycle whizzed by me in CA--seemingly inches from my mirrors / doors--while I was in a car it scared the begeezers out of me. I wonder how long it would take for the car culture to learn to accept the idea of it in other states. U.S. drivers have the most territorial attitudes I've seen (based on my experiences in Spain, Portugal, Mexico and Central America). If lane filtering were passed as a nation-wide law, I'd wager there would be numerous accidents (or road rage incidents) involving cars that would "defend" their territory so MCs couldn't "take their spots". People here think "don't butt in line" and are quick to retaliate if their sensibilities are offended. They think "if I have to wait in traffic, why shouldn't you?"
If legal, I'd probably wait a few years before attempting it for the idea to register with drivers. But then again, I don't have to face much traffic on a daily basis.
Edit: I would say that 95% of the time I do leave bike in first gear at a stop, I'm watching cars approach in my mirror, ready to pull foward into space left or right of me. But I also wonder if I would react quick enough...honestly, I think probably I would be a bit slow on the draw.
RE: Lane Filtering ... - the Ferret - 05-24-2019
the other side of the coin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjVt-Au8uwI
Lane Filtering ... - dsan1964_imp - 05-24-2019
(05-24-2019, 10:51 PM)The ferret_imp Wrote: the other side of the coin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjVt-Au8uwI
It’s like anything in life . You don’t judge everyone on a few folks bad behavior or lack of skill.
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RE: Lane Filtering ... - pdedse - 05-24-2019
(05-24-2019, 10:51 PM)The ferret_imp Wrote: the other side of the coin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjVt-Au8uwI
Yeah...that's tough to watch. The sad thing to see is the example at the 2:35 minute where the guy hits the pedestrian. Neither is concerned for the other's condition after the collision; rather, they both want to blame the other..."you shouldn't be going so fast" and "you should be looking where you're going".
The lady shouldn't be crossing the street between stopped cars...but she does. And the mc rider doesn't expect her to step out from among stopped cars...yet she does.
On the other hand, someone will argue that the same mc rider could just as likely have been rear-ended by a car had he been waiting patiently in traffic.
The other one that gets me is at the 3:27 mark...guy is splitting ok, and then two drivers up front are "being nice" to let another driver make what looks to be a left hand turn...and smack. MC rider can't see that car pulling out because of truck and black van in right hand lane. But then I look down the hiway at see how far traffic is snarled and I think "I probably would have wanted to do the same thing as the mc rider".
I don't know...you pick your poison I guess. At 55, I'm generally not in a big hurry to get where I'm going...I just want to get there, so I'll probably not lane split / filter anytime soon 1) because it's not legal here and 2) ready to pull forward if I suspect someone's going to hit me seems the safer way to go...until it isn't...which, I hope I never find out.
RE: Lane Filtering ... - GoldOxide_imp - 05-24-2019
(05-24-2019, 10:48 PM)pdedse_imp Wrote: I don't know...I go back and forth on this. I understand the benefit to those who ride--avoid rear end collisions, more efficient traffic flow and saves time for riders...but:
While I've seen filtering or splitting a bit in CA, I just don't ride much in rush hour type traffic to appreciate the advantages. I know the first few times a motorcycle whizzed by me in CA--seemingly inches from my mirrors / doors--while I was in a car it scared the begeezers out of me. I wonder how long it would take for the car culture to learn to accept the idea of it in other states. U.S. drivers have the most territorial attitudes I've seen (based on my experiences in Spain, Portugal, Mexico and Central America). If lane filtering were passed as a nation-wide law, I'd wager there would be numerous accidents (or road rage incidents) involving cars that would "defend" their territory so MCs couldn't "take their spots". People here think "don't butt in line" and are quick to retaliate if their sensibilities are offended. They think "if I have to wait in traffic, why shouldn't you?"
If legal, I'd probably wait a few years before attempting it for the idea to register with drivers. But then again, I don't have to face much traffic on a daily basis.
Edit: I would say that 95% of the time I do leave bike in first gear at a stop, I'm watching cars approach in my mirror, ready to pull foward into space left or right of me. But I also wonder if I would react quick enough...honestly, I think probably I would be a bit slow on the draw.
Well articulated pdedse.
Personally, I would like the option to filter and my province has publicized the idea with restrictions (e.g. traffic congestion only and speed limit, etc.). Don't know if it will be legalized.
Lane Filtering ... - Retsel_imp - 05-25-2019
I commuted in the San Francisco peninsula traffic, on a motorcycle, for over 20 years and averaged about 20,000 miles a year. I split traffic but, not all the time. It is tiring! You have to be intensively alert of everything around on a nanosecond basis. It is work! Because of this I sometimes preferred to just lay back and go with the flow. Watching the video I see riders that just don't get it and pay the price. Many of these riders, it seems to me, had plenty of time to react but, for some reason, did not see the immediate danger in time. I've said it before, you have to watch every car's front tire. If it turns towards you, you react immediately. And if you are going to fast to do that, you are going to fast!
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RE: Lane Filtering ... - Charlie Bravo_imp - 05-25-2019
Here in SoCal, lane splitting is legal and most riders do it. I do. The key is that drivers know there may be bikes splitting lanes and they look for them. CA has placed a message on the freeway traffic warning signs to SHARE THE ROAD. LOOK TWICE FOR MOTORCYCLES. Also, a bike with a bit of engine sound, not the annoying blat of most Harleys, but a nice growl, helps to alert drivers to your presence, too. This is all my opinion and I'm sticking with it. YMMV.
RE: Lane Filtering ... - alprider - 05-25-2019
i can only say
drive as if you were invisible
and in principle too : in 99% are the bikes always to fast under way in every such kind accident video (drive between the tracks/lines)
thats all.....
and
I operate the brake often in quick succession and if I stand for example at a stop already I watch in the rearview mirror and do that again if I see it comes a car
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RE: Lane Filtering ... - the Ferret - 05-25-2019
When I rode out to Cali in 2014, it is the only place on earth I saw drivers change lanes on a 45 degree angle \[] (there may be others I have just not seen them) and very few signaled. Everywhere else I have been, cars pull up even with an empty spot (even it they are not leaving much room), signal and then move over 90 degrees left or right to fill the open hole --[]. In Cali the cars were moving into the open hole on an angle cutting off the cars to their left or right. Scared the crap out of me, but so did having another motorcycle blast past me within inches when I am trying to concentrate on the traffic flow ahead of me.
All the people on CA freeways, are not locals you know. Millions are just visitors to the state, unfamiliar with the roads, habits and customs of the locals who assume everyone drives the same as they do.