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RE: How to tell if has ABS - flynrider - 12-10-2013
(12-09-2013, 09:44 PM)thumper_imp Wrote:(12-09-2013, 03:20 PM)Randy B_imp Wrote:(12-09-2013, 03:55 AM)ingobohn_imp Wrote:no(12-07-2013, 03:22 PM)Deanohh_imp Wrote: Nice try. The rear wheel sensor IS only for the speedo/odometer......and the speed limiter.yes
and don't stomp the rear and expect it not to skid.
Quote:......and the speed limiter. no
The limiter is implemented in the fuel injection system - if the red limit is reached, each second fuel injection is omitted (or each second ignition?).
(12-08-2013, 06:31 AM)axolotl_imp Wrote:yes(12-07-2013, 05:33 PM)Flynrider_imp Wrote: Does your sales contract indicate that the bike is an ABS model(i.e. CB1100A or "ABS" in the description)? If that is the case, you should get a positive response from the G.M. He'll know that he'd be screwed if you took it to small claims.
On the other hand, if the contract says you bought a plain CB1100 they could just tell you to go pound sand, knowing that a small claims court is just going to go by what is in the written contract.
The actual sales contract says 'CB1100AD', so I assume A is for ABS, in accordance with the owner's manual, and they told me D is the model year (2013). Also I can print out a copy of an email I sent to the finance guy, saying I don't want to take delivery on the bike unless it has ABS. I know he got the email because I called and asked him about it later (prior to delivery).
Quote:in accordance with the owner's manual, and they told me D is the model year (2013). no
The letters at the end indicate the homologation/export country for which the model is issued. E.g. "ED" stands for directly imported European version of the CB1100 or CB1100A.
I don't know what "D" stands for.
According to my owner's manual, the letters stand for...
E = UK
F = France
ED = direct import Europe
EK = South Africa, Ireland, Cyprus
The limiter is implemented in the fuel injection system - if the red limit is reached, each second fuel injection is omitted (or each second ignition?).
You are incorrect sir. You are thinking about the REV limiter, not the SPEED limiter. The speed limiter is directly connected to the speedometer which is controlled by the rear pulse wheel. This has been proven on dynos where the speed sensor was disconnected so that they could get a proper power reading in top gear because with it connected it would shut the engine power down at 112 MPH (180 KPH)
You are incorrect sir. You are thinking about the REV limiter, not the SPEED limiter. The speed limiter is directly connected to the speedometer which is controlled by the rear pulse wheel. This has been proven on dynos where the speed sensor was disconnected so that they could get a proper power reading in top gear because with it connected it would shut the engine power down at 112 MPH (180 KPH)
Why would you need to disconnect a speed sensor for a dyno run? A dyno measures engine power, which is the same at a given RPM of the engine, regardless of what gear the bike is in. Therefore, there's no need to run a vehicle through all of its gears, or to its maximum speed in top gear, to obtain power figures.
If my CBR1000RR is spinning at 12,000 rpm in first gear, it's putting 161 hp to the rear tire. If it's spinning at 12,000 rpm in sixth gear, it's still putting the exact same 161 hp to the rear tire.
I know John Ethell of JETT Tuning didn't run my CBR1000RR on the metal drum of his dynomometer @ 180mph to map the Power Commander.
Dyno roll on runs are usually done in whatever gear is closest to a 1:1 ratio, which in most cases is 4th or 5th. Lower gears introduce transmission related losses due to gear reduction inefficiencies. Another problem with lower gears is that the initial blast of torque can cause tire slippage on the smooth rollers.
The CB1100 dyno runs I've seen with the speed sensor active have a characteristic drop off at around 6700 rpm. I've seen others that were done with the speed sensor disabled that run out to redline (although power tends to peak at around 7300).
RE: How to tell if has ABS - Deanohh_imp - 12-10-2013
(12-10-2013, 09:40 AM)Flynrider_imp Wrote:(12-09-2013, 09:44 PM)thumper_imp Wrote:(12-09-2013, 03:20 PM)Randy B_imp Wrote:(12-09-2013, 03:55 AM)ingobohn_imp Wrote:no(12-07-2013, 03:22 PM)Deanohh_imp Wrote: Nice try. The rear wheel sensor IS only for the speedo/odometer......and the speed limiter.yes
and don't stomp the rear and expect it not to skid.
Quote:......and the speed limiter. no
The limiter is implemented in the fuel injection system - if the red limit is reached, each second fuel injection is omitted (or each second ignition?).
(12-08-2013, 06:31 AM)axolotl_imp Wrote:yes(12-07-2013, 05:33 PM)Flynrider_imp Wrote: Does your sales contract indicate that the bike is an ABS model(i.e. CB1100A or "ABS" in the description)? If that is the case, you should get a positive response from the G.M. He'll know that he'd be screwed if you took it to small claims.
On the other hand, if the contract says you bought a plain CB1100 they could just tell you to go pound sand, knowing that a small claims court is just going to go by what is in the written contract.
The actual sales contract says 'CB1100AD', so I assume A is for ABS, in accordance with the owner's manual, and they told me D is the model year (2013). Also I can print out a copy of an email I sent to the finance guy, saying I don't want to take delivery on the bike unless it has ABS. I know he got the email because I called and asked him about it later (prior to delivery).
Quote:in accordance with the owner's manual, and they told me D is the model year (2013). no
The letters at the end indicate the homologation/export country for which the model is issued. E.g. "ED" stands for directly imported European version of the CB1100 or CB1100A.
I don't know what "D" stands for.
According to my owner's manual, the letters stand for...
E = UK
F = France
ED = direct import Europe
EK = South Africa, Ireland, Cyprus
The limiter is implemented in the fuel injection system - if the red limit is reached, each second fuel injection is omitted (or each second ignition?).
You are incorrect sir. You are thinking about the REV limiter, not the SPEED limiter. The speed limiter is directly connected to the speedometer which is controlled by the rear pulse wheel. This has been proven on dynos where the speed sensor was disconnected so that they could get a proper power reading in top gear because with it connected it would shut the engine power down at 112 MPH (180 KPH)
You are incorrect sir. You are thinking about the REV limiter, not the SPEED limiter. The speed limiter is directly connected to the speedometer which is controlled by the rear pulse wheel. This has been proven on dynos where the speed sensor was disconnected so that they could get a proper power reading in top gear because with it connected it would shut the engine power down at 112 MPH (180 KPH)
Why would you need to disconnect a speed sensor for a dyno run? A dyno measures engine power, which is the same at a given RPM of the engine, regardless of what gear the bike is in. Therefore, there's no need to run a vehicle through all of its gears, or to its maximum speed in top gear, to obtain power figures.
If my CBR1000RR is spinning at 12,000 rpm in first gear, it's putting 161 hp to the rear tire. If it's spinning at 12,000 rpm in sixth gear, it's still putting the exact same 161 hp to the rear tire.
I know John Ethell of JETT Tuning didn't run my CBR1000RR on the metal drum of his dynomometer @ 180mph to map the Power Commander.
Dyno roll on runs are usually done in whatever gear is closest to a 1:1 ratio, which in most cases is 4th or 5th. Lower gears introduce transmission related losses due to gear reduction inefficiencies. Another problem with lower gears is that the initial blast of torque can cause tire slippage on the smooth rollers.
The CB1100 dyno runs I've seen with the speed sensor active have a characteristic drop off at around 6700 rpm. I've seen others that were done with the speed sensor disabled that run out to redline (although power tends to peak at around 7300).
Dyno roll on runs are usually done in whatever gear is closest to a 1:1 ratio, which in most cases is 4th or 5th. Lower gears introduce transmission related losses due to gear reduction inefficiencies. Another problem with lower gears is that the initial blast of torque can cause tire slippage on the smooth rollers.
The CB1100 dyno runs I've seen with the speed sensor active have a characteristic drop off at around 6700 rpm. I've seen others that were done with the speed sensor disabled that run out to redline (although power tends to peak at around 7300).
I am mystified why unplugging the speed sensor didn't work on my bike. I was right there in the dyno room and saw everything. But we got the revs up in 3rd to be able to map the full rpm range.
RE: How to tell if has ABS - Randy B - 12-10-2013
(12-09-2013, 05:38 PM)ingobohn_imp Wrote:no(12-09-2013, 03:20 PM)Randy B_imp Wrote:no(12-09-2013, 03:55 AM)ingobohn_imp Wrote:no(12-07-2013, 03:22 PM)Deanohh_imp Wrote: Nice try. The rear wheel sensor IS only for the speedo/odometer......and the speed limiter.yes
and don't stomp the rear and expect it not to skid.
Quote:......and the speed limiter. no
The limiter is implemented in the fuel injection system - if the red limit is reached, each second fuel injection is omitted (or each second ignition?).
(12-08-2013, 06:31 AM)axolotl_imp Wrote:yes(12-07-2013, 05:33 PM)Flynrider_imp Wrote: Does your sales contract indicate that the bike is an ABS model(i.e. CB1100A or "ABS" in the description)? If that is the case, you should get a positive response from the G.M. He'll know that he'd be screwed if you took it to small claims.
On the other hand, if the contract says you bought a plain CB1100 they could just tell you to go pound sand, knowing that a small claims court is just going to go by what is in the written contract.
The actual sales contract says 'CB1100AD', so I assume A is for ABS, in accordance with the owner's manual, and they told me D is the model year (2013). Also I can print out a copy of an email I sent to the finance guy, saying I don't want to take delivery on the bike unless it has ABS. I know he got the email because I called and asked him about it later (prior to delivery).
Quote:in accordance with the owner's manual, and they told me D is the model year (2013). no
The letters at the end indicate the homologation/export country for which the model is issued. E.g. "ED" stands for directly imported European version of the CB1100 or CB1100A.
I don't know what "D" stands for.
According to my owner's manual, the letters stand for...
E = UK
F = France
ED = direct import Europe
EK = South Africa, Ireland, Cyprus
The limiter is implemented in the fuel injection system - if the red limit is reached, each second fuel injection is omitted (or each second ignition?).
You are incorrect sir. You are thinking about the REV limiter, not the SPEED limiter. The speed limiter is directly connected to the speedometer which is controlled by the rear pulse wheel. This has been proven on dynos where the speed sensor was disconnected so that they could get a proper power reading in top gear because with it connected it would shut the engine power down at 112 MPH (180 KPH)
You are incorrect sir. You are thinking about the REV limiter, not the SPEED limiter. The speed limiter is directly connected to the speedometer which is controlled by the rear pulse wheel. This has been proven on dynos where the speed sensor was disconnected so that they could get a proper power reading in top gear because with it connected it would shut the engine power down at 112 MPH (180 KPH)
The limiter is implemented in the fuel injection system - if the red limit is reached, each second fuel injection is omitted (or each second ignition?).
You are incorrect sir. You are thinking about the REV limiter, not the SPEED limiter. The speed limiter is directly connected to the speedometer which is controlled by the rear pulse wheel. This has been proven on dynos where the speed sensor was disconnected so that they could get a proper power reading in top gear because with it connected it would shut the engine power down at 112 MPH (180 KPH)
You are incorrect sir. You are thinking about the REV limiter, not the SPEED limiter. The speed limiter is directly connected to the speedometer which is controlled by the rear pulse wheel. This has been proven on dynos where the speed sensor was disconnected so that they could get a proper power reading in top gear because with it connected it would shut the engine power down at 112 MPH (180 KPH)
Okay Sir, I understand.
Nevertheless, one time would have been enough, I am not dumb.
The limiter is implemented in the fuel injection system - if the red limit is reached, each second fuel injection is omitted (or each second ignition?).
You are incorrect sir. You are thinking about the REV limiter, not the SPEED limiter. The speed limiter is directly connected to the speedometer which is controlled by the rear pulse wheel. This has been proven on dynos where the speed sensor was disconnected so that they could get a proper power reading in top gear because with it connected it would shut the engine power down at 112 MPH (180 KPH)
You are incorrect sir. You are thinking about the REV limiter, not the SPEED limiter. The speed limiter is directly connected to the speedometer which is controlled by the rear pulse wheel. This has been proven on dynos where the speed sensor was disconnected so that they could get a proper power reading in top gear because with it connected it would shut the engine power down at 112 MPH (180 KPH)
Okay Sir, I understand.
Nevertheless, one time would have been enough, I am not dumb. I was not implying that you are dumb. It was a mistaken double post because the first time I quoted you it messed up and I didn't catch it when I fixed it.