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RE: My anti lock non anti lock brake - bubblerboy64_imp - 08-05-2013
The rear brake is doing lighter duty but certainly if you had a failure of the front brake you'd what want to be able to stop the bike.
If the dealer says differently then I'd find another dealer.
How about a defect in the master cylinder?
RE: My anti lock non anti lock brake - ChipBeck_imp - 08-05-2013
(08-05-2013, 01:15 AM)bubblerboy64_imp Wrote: The rear brake is doing lighter duty but certainly if you had a failure of the front brake you'd what want to be able to stop the bike.
If the dealer says differently then I'd find another dealer.
How about a defect in the master cylinder?
Gentlemen,
A number of things are possible, but some are far more likely than others so those are the first things to look for. Air in brake lines is the most common cause of weak braking performance if the pads aren't worn out so I would start there. A technician friend once told me, "If I hear hoofbeats here in Arizona, I'm gonna look for horses, not Zebras". All the best.
Chip
RE: My anti lock non anti lock brake - Rolls_imp - 08-05-2013
Yep, either the pads aren't being squeezed on the rotor well enough and the prime suspect is air in the line, or they're being squeezed plenty good, but there's not enough friction from pad to rotor. Doubt pads are glazed or worn, so if squeeze is good, then contamination is the likely suspect.
Sure would be easy for an over zealous setup tech to splash a little chain lube on that nearby rotor, or for a rotor anti-rust coating to miss being removed at the factory, or somewhere down the line.
Sure hope it gets sorted out for those who aren't getting normal rear brake operation.
RE: My anti lock non anti lock brake - Buffalorider_imp - 08-05-2013
(08-02-2013, 06:16 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: Took my ST out for a 325 mile spin today ( rear brakes on it are awesome)....for a hotdog lol. Drove from one side of Ohio durn near to the other to meet a riding buddy for lunch at a Sonic. tried the new pretzel bun hot dog with cheese and bacon, tater tots and sweet tea. Dog was just ok, couldn't taste the bacon. Tater tots and sweet tea were great. Any excuse for a ride!
I think you all might be right. It's under warranty so I will let them bleed it.
Thanks. Now you have me thinkin' how fun it'd be to ride to the other side of WV and try that "Hillbilly Hot Dog" joint.
I'll meet you there.
After reading all the questions about braking I had to go out and try mine. I have a non-ABS model and my brakes have been great but I do balance them and wanted to isolate the rear system.
At 40 mph I can lock the rear pretty much at will but it does take some pressure. On a wet road or loose surface I think it'd be much easier to do.
Stainless braided lines are one of the mods I have high on my list and they would really help the system.
RE: My anti lock non anti lock brake - Aussie_imp - 08-05-2013
Had a try tonight riding home and had no issues locking the rear brake on my Australian 2010 model. Needs a bit of a push but it's probably set up well for a panic braking situation.
RE: My anti lock non anti lock brake - NightRider_imp - 03-23-2015
(08-01-2013, 10:02 PM)The ferret_imp Wrote: Well yesterday my brother and I pulled my pads, took a mill bastard file to them, then some heavy duty sand paper in a figure 8 pattern, blew them off and reinstalled. While the pads were out, I also scotch padded both sides of the disc again. Then I took a ride and did the 45 to 15 mph rear brake only thing about 5 times. Result : It's a little better, but certainly not what I'd expect.
I may stop at the dealership and let one of their techs take it for a ride and see what he thinks.
BUMP!
What did the dealer decide was the problem, if any? We should note that locking up the rear brake should be avoided and if you do lock it up you keep it locked and ride it out to avoid a possible loss of control should you release the lock.
My new 14 standard never locked while I practiced quick stops. This might be because I use the front heavily and the back lightly but in almost 20 or so quick stop practices, it never locked, which I thought was spendid. The MSF school Suzuki 250 bikes could be locked easily in the back and I practiced riding it out with them, but the CB never did a lock...again this might be because the CB brakes, both front and back are both hydraulic and both seem to have enough flexibility to allow you to gently sqeeze them progressively so you can keep from going into a skid. But still, it seemed like my rear brake was effective but still prone not to lock and I pushed it, it seemed wonderful to me and so I wonder if this is by design, I think so. I hope so.
I have a tendency to use the front mostly and the rear lightly to support them, or not at all if going downhill where all weight is on the front, or conversly solitary use of the back mostly in slow parking lot manuvers, the front not as effective at slow speed as the back. For example, I will use mostly the front to slow from highway speed and then under 10 mph go to the rear to come to a smooth stop, and the rear never let me down for that purpose. This might not be correct but seems to work for me and I remember the MSF instructor warning us not to use the front only on slow speed stops because it will cause the front to dive and you can lose it.
RE: My anti lock non anti lock brake - Rebel73_imp - 03-24-2015
(08-02-2013, 01:29 AM)CIP57_imp Wrote: I was thinking how well the brakes perform on this bike. All my recent Honda's have linked brake systems ( non abs ) and don't like any of them. Braking on linked systems hard in a turn will stand you straight up, horrible feeling. You could never low side with them.Allowing you to low side? From everything I've read, brake lock-up, and consequently low siding is something to be avoided, and it's always best to stay upright and scrub off as much speed as possible.
My rear brake is very good, it locks right up if i want it to allowing me to low side in case of danger. The rear brake on this bike is much better than my ST, CBR or XX all with linked brakes. My rear has a very strong bite but its new, we'll have to see when we get some miles on her.
The rear brakes come into play mostly during slow speed maneuvers and through turns - they help to stabilize the bike. As previously stated, most of the stopping power comes from the front.
In normal or emergency stopping situations, front and rear should be applied together.
RE: My anti lock non anti lock brake - NightRider_imp - 03-24-2015
Quote:From everything I've read, brake lock-up, and consequently low siding is something to be avoided, and it's always best to stay upright and scrub off as much speed as possible.
Point should be highlighted. Avoid locking the back brake because you have lost all the ability to change direction, will slide where it decides to slide and should you panic and get off the brake before the bike comes to a complete stop, the back wheel will spin up faster than the front wheel since all the mass has shifted to the front now leaving you with little traction on the back, and the rear will slide either way with great force causing you to lose control completely and in a very light sports bike even flip.
So while practicing quick stops with the small MSF provided Suzuki, sometimes the back would lock and I was judged on whether I could remember to keep it locked, should that occur, until coming to a full stop. The great quick stop is one that you do without locking either wheel, 1) squeeze the clutch and roll off the gas, 2) squeeze the front brake and "squeeze" the rear at the same time with the foot pedal till just before either lock and at the same time 3) s hift into 1st and 4) put your left foot down as you come to a stop.
Emphasis on "squeeze" rather than grab. Smooth and progressive action on clutch, gas and both brakes.
On a side note, I found the CB1100 is easier to stop and get going smoothly than the little Suzuki 250, which was a nice bike btw. So sometimes the bigger and better bike is in some ways easier to ride than a smaller bike. Weight being a negative on the CB side when suggesting it is a good beginner bike.
RE: My anti lock non anti lock brake - CIP57_imp - 03-24-2015
(03-24-2015, 03:36 AM)Rebel73_imp Wrote:Allowing you to low side? From everything I've read, brake lock-up, and consequently low siding is something to be avoided, and it's always best to stay upright and scrub off as much speed as possible.(08-02-2013, 01:29 AM)CIP57_imp Wrote: I was thinking how well the brakes perform on this bike. All my recent Honda's have linked brake systems ( non abs ) and don't like any of them. Braking on linked systems hard in a turn will stand you straight up, horrible feeling. You could never low side with them.Allowing you to low side? From everything I've read, brake lock-up, and consequently low siding is something to be avoided, and it's always best to stay upright and scrub off as much speed as possible.
My rear brake is very good, it locks right up if i want it to allowing me to low side in case of danger. The rear brake on this bike is much better than my ST, CBR or XX all with linked brakes. My rear has a very strong bite but its new, we'll have to see when we get some miles on her.
The rear brakes come into play mostly during slow speed maneuvers and through turns - they help to stabilize the bike. As previously stated, most of the stopping power comes from the front.
In normal or emergency stopping situations, front and rear should be applied together.
The rear brakes come into play mostly during slow speed maneuvers and through turns - they help to stabilize the bike. As previously stated, most of the stopping power comes from the front.
In normal or emergency stopping situations, front and rear should be applied together.
I'm an old dirt riding guy, first thing i did when i get the CB is to see how the bike reacts during full lock up of the rear wheel, how it changes direction. Leg off the peg on the ground for balance she spins right around. There a certain point of no return though, which would be a nasty high side if you don't keep the bike low enough. Not recommended if you have any fear going into this procedure.
RE: My anti lock non anti lock brake - Rebel73_imp - 03-25-2015
(03-24-2015, 09:02 PM)CIP57_imp Wrote:Allowing you to low side? From everything I've read, brake lock-up, and consequently low siding is something to be avoided, and it's always best to stay upright and scrub off as much speed as possible.(03-24-2015, 03:36 AM)Rebel73_imp Wrote:Allowing you to low side? From everything I've read, brake lock-up, and consequently low siding is something to be avoided, and it's always best to stay upright and scrub off as much speed as possible.(08-02-2013, 01:29 AM)CIP57_imp Wrote: I was thinking how well the brakes perform on this bike. All my recent Honda's have linked brake systems ( non abs ) and don't like any of them. Braking on linked systems hard in a turn will stand you straight up, horrible feeling. You could never low side with them.Allowing you to low side? From everything I've read, brake lock-up, and consequently low siding is something to be avoided, and it's always best to stay upright and scrub off as much speed as possible.
My rear brake is very good, it locks right up if i want it to allowing me to low side in case of danger. The rear brake on this bike is much better than my ST, CBR or XX all with linked brakes. My rear has a very strong bite but its new, we'll have to see when we get some miles on her.
The rear brakes come into play mostly during slow speed maneuvers and through turns - they help to stabilize the bike. As previously stated, most of the stopping power comes from the front.
In normal or emergency stopping situations, front and rear should be applied together.
The rear brakes come into play mostly during slow speed maneuvers and through turns - they help to stabilize the bike. As previously stated, most of the stopping power comes from the front.
In normal or emergency stopping situations, front and rear should be applied together.
I'm an old dirt riding guy, first thing i did when i get the CB is to see how the bike reacts during full lock up of the rear wheel, how it changes direction. Leg off the peg on the ground for balance she spins right around. There a certain point of no return though, which would be a nasty high side if you don't keep the bike low enough. Not recommended if you have any fear going into this procedure.
The rear brakes come into play mostly during slow speed maneuvers and through turns - they help to stabilize the bike. As previously stated, most of the stopping power comes from the front.
In normal or emergency stopping situations, front and rear should be applied together.
I'm an old dirt riding guy, first thing i did when i get the CB is to see how the bike reacts during full lock up of the rear wheel, how it changes direction. Leg off the peg on the ground for balance she spins right around. There a certain point of no return though, which would be a nasty high side if you don't keep the bike low enough. Not recommended if you have any fear going into this procedure. I had an incident once where an idiot in an SUV turned left right in front of me and I clamped on the brakes. My rear locked up and I slid sideways. Fortunately I didn't release the brake and I was able to ride out the slide and recover, but it was a butt-puckering moment for sure. That's why I'm now happy to have a bike with ABS.