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RE: At a Loss for words. - Randy B - 04-30-2014
I hax something similar happen to me when I bought my first 93 750 nighthawk. I had it for 8 days and totalled it I an odd low speed crash in a parking lot. The killer was breaking 3 of the fins off the head, otherwise it wouldn't have been that bad.
I'm glad you got it replaced. Now go have fun and be safe!
At a Loss for words. - Cormanus - 04-30-2014
Good news, Strangeone. Enjoy the new bike. Again.
RE: At a Loss for words. - DAC - 05-01-2014
Good news, Strangeone. Happy trails!
RE: At a Loss for words. - Red Mist_imp - 05-01-2014
(04-14-2014, 08:04 AM)Tortuga_imp Wrote: Ok, I've said my sympathetic piece (heartfelt) and meant it. Machines are just that, worthless pieces of 'stuff'.Yes, you should. Let's harp, hammer, and shame people into taking closed-course schools. Oddly enough, Tortuga and I have been riding exactly the same number of years, 30. I have never had such an accident, and I often wonder why. However when I truly assess the reasons, it all adds up to training and experience.
Having ruminated on this for a few hours I'd be keen to suggest the rider for one, but ALL OF US re-assess our riding technique and look for ways to sharpen them.
I'm a rider with nearly 30 years riding experience under my belt, most of which was legal and on road.
I worked as an instructor and learnt as I taught.
I do believe Keith Code and his California Race School offer a lot of good advice that ALL should pay attention to.
Accidents are often avoidable if we don't get sucked into 'target fixation' which is the main cause of single vehicle bike accidents.
The OP stated that he 'sat the bike up' which seems to be the cause of many crashes. Sometimes 'looking where you want to go' prevents 'going where you look'!
I don't want to appear harsh, I've just seen many avoidable accident from poor planning (for the worst case scenario..as the police ride) or target fixation.
Maybe I should start a new thread to keep this poor guy out of it?
Yes, there are situations that just have no out. But as Tortuga says, the vast majority of these accidents are just "incidents along the way" for certain riders who have the instantaneous skillset to avoid them. I chalk mine up first to lots and lots of dirt riding, rear-wheel steering, learning to really slide both ends of the bike and judge traction under braking as well as acceleration; and second, to thousands of miles of track time after doing a lot of reputable schools.
That @~*^e starts to come in as "muscle memory" after a few years.
All that said, anyone of us can go out tomorrow and eat @~*^e, regardless of all the schools, dirt riding, and track days in the world.
But the odds are much more in our favor with training. We are operating a machine, and the more skillful we are, the less likely to have a problem. That's not ego, it's just factual.
I been trying to get my neighbor to go to a track day for a long time, and he just won't have anything to do with it. It scares him.
Lemme say I would rather be on a racetrack with everyone going the same direction and no SUVs coming over the yellow than trying to "hone my skills" on the local winding road. Sure, you might have someone give you a close shave, but even if you fall down you most likely won't get hurt.
I was at a couple of track days last weekend and saw three accidents. All three riders walked away, no problems. The ambulance never rolled.
Oh yeah, that's the other thing. The ambulance and paramedics are on-site. Try that on your favorite mountain road.
I have taught scores of new riders to ride on the racetrack and have a good sense of what it's all about. Every one of them came away a better rider.
So please, ride defensively, don't ride in a hurry, and get all the training you can. A racetrack is a hell of a lot safer than a public road.
RE: At a Loss for words. - flynrider - 05-01-2014
+1. I spent about 3 years club racing and that did more for honing my skills than anything else. You quickly learn to ride a bike to its limits (in a relatively safe environment), which translates into great accident avoidance skills on the road.
Ever since then I've never felt the need to go all out on the street. It's a pretty poor substitute for a good road course.
RE: At a Loss for words. - strangeone78_imp - 05-06-2014
(04-30-2014, 12:14 AM)strangeone78_imp Wrote: Good News, My insurance came through and i will be picking up my new 2013 CB1100 this Friday. - This time I plan to keep it on the road!!!
I got it, rode it all weekend. still an awesome bike. VIN #100
RE: At a Loss for words. - Tortuga_imp - 05-06-2014
(05-01-2014, 01:22 PM)Red Mist_imp Wrote:Yes, you should. Let's harp, hammer, and shame people into taking closed-course schools. Oddly enough, Tortuga and I have been riding exactly the same number of years, 30. I have never had such an accident, and I often wonder why. However when I truly assess the reasons, it all adds up to training and experience.(04-14-2014, 08:04 AM)Tortuga_imp Wrote: Ok, I've said my sympathetic piece (heartfelt) and meant it. Machines are just that, worthless pieces of 'stuff'.Yes, you should. Let's harp, hammer, and shame people into taking closed-course schools. Oddly enough, Tortuga and I have been riding exactly the same number of years, 30. I have never had such an accident, and I often wonder why. However when I truly assess the reasons, it all adds up to training and experience.
Having ruminated on this for a few hours I'd be keen to suggest the rider for one, but ALL OF US re-assess our riding technique and look for ways to sharpen them.
I'm a rider with nearly 30 years riding experience under my belt, most of which was legal and on road.
I worked as an instructor and learnt as I taught.
I do believe Keith Code and his California Race School offer a lot of good advice that ALL should pay attention to.
Accidents are often avoidable if we don't get sucked into 'target fixation' which is the main cause of single vehicle bike accidents.
The OP stated that he 'sat the bike up' which seems to be the cause of many crashes. Sometimes 'looking where you want to go' prevents 'going where you look'!
I don't want to appear harsh, I've just seen many avoidable accident from poor planning (for the worst case scenario..as the police ride) or target fixation.
Maybe I should start a new thread to keep this poor guy out of it?
Yes, there are situations that just have no out. But as Tortuga says, the vast majority of these accidents are just "incidents along the way" for certain riders who have the instantaneous skillset to avoid them. I chalk mine up first to lots and lots of dirt riding, rear-wheel steering, learning to really slide both ends of the bike and judge traction under braking as well as acceleration; and second, to thousands of miles of track time after doing a lot of reputable schools.
That @~*^e starts to come in as "muscle memory" after a few years.
All that said, anyone of us can go out tomorrow and eat @~*^e, regardless of all the schools, dirt riding, and track days in the world.
But the odds are much more in our favor with training. We are operating a machine, and the more skillful we are, the less likely to have a problem. That's not ego, it's just factual.
I been trying to get my neighbor to go to a track day for a long time, and he just won't have anything to do with it. It scares him.
Lemme say I would rather be on a racetrack with everyone going the same direction and no SUVs coming over the yellow than trying to "hone my skills" on the local winding road. Sure, you might have someone give you a close shave, but even if you fall down you most likely won't get hurt.
I was at a couple of track days last weekend and saw three accidents. All three riders walked away, no problems. The ambulance never rolled.
Oh yeah, that's the other thing. The ambulance and paramedics are on-site. Try that on your favorite mountain road.
I have taught scores of new riders to ride on the racetrack and have a good sense of what it's all about. Every one of them came away a better rider.
So please, ride defensively, don't ride in a hurry, and get all the training you can. A racetrack is a hell of a lot safer than a public road.
Yes, there are situations that just have no out. But as Tortuga says, the vast majority of these accidents are just "incidents along the way" for certain riders who have the instantaneous skillset to avoid them. I chalk mine up first to lots and lots of dirt riding, rear-wheel steering, learning to really slide both ends of the bike and judge traction under braking as well as acceleration; and second, to thousands of miles of track time after doing a lot of reputable schools.
That @~*^e starts to come in as "muscle memory" after a few years.
All that said, anyone of us can go out tomorrow and eat @~*^e, regardless of all the schools, dirt riding, and track days in the world.
But the odds are much more in our favor with training. We are operating a machine, and the more skillful we are, the less likely to have a problem. That's not ego, it's just factual.
I been trying to get my neighbor to go to a track day for a long time, and he just won't have anything to do with it. It scares him.
Lemme say I would rather be on a racetrack with everyone going the same direction and no SUVs coming over the yellow than trying to "hone my skills" on the local winding road. Sure, you might have someone give you a close shave, but even if you fall down you most likely won't get hurt.
I was at a couple of track days last weekend and saw three accidents. All three riders walked away, no problems. The ambulance never rolled.
Oh yeah, that's the other thing. The ambulance and paramedics are on-site. Try that on your favorite mountain road.
I have taught scores of new riders to ride on the racetrack and have a good sense of what it's all about. Every one of them came away a better rider.
So please, ride defensively, don't ride in a hurry, and get all the training you can. A racetrack is a hell of a lot safer than a public road.
Well said, that man!
(05-01-2014, 02:02 PM)Flynrider_imp Wrote: +1. I spent about 3 years club racing and that did more for honing my skills than anything else. You quickly learn to ride a bike to its limits (in a relatively safe environment), which translates into great accident avoidance skills on the road.
Ever since then I've never felt the need to go all out on the street. It's a pretty poor substitute for a good road course.
Quite right, there's a 'time and a place' for everything.
(05-06-2014, 06:59 AM)strangeone78_imp Wrote:(04-30-2014, 12:14 AM)strangeone78_imp Wrote: Good News, My insurance came through and i will be picking up my new 2013 CB1100 this Friday. - This time I plan to keep it on the road!!!
I got it, rode it all weekend. still an awesome bike. VIN #100
I got it, rode it all weekend. still an awesome bike. VIN #100
It all worked out good in the end then, and great to get to lucky number too. Rock on, be safe.