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RE: Front Brakes... - quietguy_imp - 01-17-2016
(01-17-2016, 01:45 AM)Elipten_imp Wrote: There is only so much a computer can do for you. I think familiarity is the key.
2014 CB1100 DLX
2013 CB1100 Std
1990 BMW K75 RT
While I'm sure you're a much better rider than myself, I have been riding motorcycles for approximately 55 years. No, that does not make me an expert.
Front Brakes... - Elipten_imp - 01-17-2016
I'm no expert but familiarity with each motorcycle is critical. When I get on my old BMW the brakes which felt so strong before I got the CB now feel like lead and not very capable at Performing stops. I always have to use care when switching between the two motorcycles due to the breaking characteristic difference. The 20 Hp difference not such a big impact.
I apologize as I meant no slight to your riding ability or experience. I 'm just saying every motorcycle is different and familiarity is important.
Just like when I fly for work and get a rental car I've learned to take a few minutes and learn the layout of the controls, adjust the mirrors and etc. but I seem to never remember to check which side the gas cap is on, and pull into the pumps wrong to refuel it when returning.
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RE: Front Brakes... - kmoney_imp - 01-17-2016
(01-17-2016, 02:25 AM)Elipten_imp Wrote: I'm no expert but familiarity with each motorcycle is critical. When I get on my old BMW the brakes which felt so strong before I got the CB now feel like lead and not very capable at Performing stops. I always have to use care when switching between the two motorcycles due to the breaking characteristic difference. The 20 Hp difference not such a big impact.
I apologize as I meant no slight to your riding ability or experience. I 'm just saying every motorcycle is different and familiarity is important.
Just like when I fly for work and get a rental car I've learned to take a few minutes and learn the layout of the controls, adjust the mirrors and etc. but I seem to never remember to check which side the gas cap is on, and pull into the pumps wrong to refuel it when returning.
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If there isn't an arrow, whatever side the hose and handle extends out from on the gas pump picture on the dash is where the fuel fill is. At least that's what I was told, and I've never seen a car not like this since.
Front Brakes... - Elipten_imp - 01-17-2016
Thanks never paid attention. Guess a new feature since the 1970s
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RE: Front Brakes... - quietguy_imp - 01-17-2016
I understand, and I agree wholeheartedly with your illustration of becoming familiar the operation of our personal equipment, Elipten. And I sincerely APPRECIATE any and ALL input, suggestions or cautionary elements anyone is willing to share - so Thank You.
And even after having ridden my CB1100 400 miles I am still learning about the bike and it's characteristics. I was aware of the front brakes being both strong and extremely sensitive, and believe me, I've made every attempt to adapt my braking habits. Honestly, the bike's behavior in this instance took me completely by surprise - I was, however glad I didn't panic or overreact causing some real harm. But I have to say in all candidness, those front brakes are the most difficult I've ever encountered...
Above it all... I will continue to learn and adapt as well, and as quickly as I'm able.
Thanks again for all your input!
RE: Front Brakes... - Olyrider - 01-17-2016
I am not aware of _any_ review that describes the front brake on our bikes as "strong and extremely sensitive". That is a relative statement, and not borne out by the comments of magazine-type reviewers. No offense intended.
The laws of physics apply here. If the front wheel is turned in either direction, and the front brake is applied, momentum is going to apply unequal force to the center of a 550-pound bike plus rider. The front tire is going to STOP, and the rear wheel will keep rolling. Applying the rear brake is the identical situation will result in different, and more manageable, forces. In this case, the rear wheel stops, and the front of the bike keeps moving slowly in the intended direction.
Many, if not most of us, have 50 years of experience. If we have been riding all of those years, we have experienced tremendous improvements in technology including brakes. Dual disc front brakes do their job as intended. It doesn't make them "extremely sensitive".
IMHO, gravity is a harsh mistress when you're turning a 550-lb bike at slow speed.
I'm not being condescending. I have dropped my CB1100 in the parking lot doing exactly what you described. It was 100% the result of bad technique on my part.
Again, no offense intended.
RE: Front Brakes... - redbirds_imp - 01-17-2016
The power of the front brake was one of my most favorable impressions first time I rode my CB. I always use two fingers on the brake lever and modulating the fronts is progressive with great feel and feedback. Every bit as strong as the Brembos on the Guzzi Breva I had before but a bit easier to control.
I nearly dropped my ST1300 years ago in a similar situation to yours quietguy. Scary indeed, especially the idea of having to lift all 700+ pounds of it.
RE: Front Brakes... - quietguy_imp - 01-17-2016
Then I will be the first to admit to my lack of braking skills with the CB1100... I'm sure I need a lot more work and practice with these particular units. No matter the number of years, or the quantity of motorcycles I've ridden, there's always room for learning and improvement.
But yeah... I do define these front brakes as VERY sensitive. I also use two fingers on the brake lever.
Front Brakes... - Elipten_imp - 01-17-2016
Don't sell, just learn the bike. I rode a friends Duc a few years ago. Had to do a quick stop and ended up with a stoppie. Scared the living heck out of me as had never done one or ever wanted to do one.
These modern bikes have most impressive braking. And some have most impressive Hp also!
2014 CB1100 DLX
2013 CB1100 Std
1990 BMW K75 RT
RE: Front Brakes... - quietguy_imp - 01-17-2016
I can only imagine what you experienced, Elipten. And I too wouldn't want to have that happen to me.