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RE: 2017 Honda CB1100EX, still top speed / rev-limited? - VLJ_imp - 02-06-2018
I can now confirm with 100% certainty that the '17 EX is limited to 112 mph. Fourth gear, big handful of throttle, she zips right on up to 112 mp...then a big, soft pillow smacks you in the face.
Yeah, I don't like the limiter. It's not that I really need to go that fast. Obviously, I don't. Still, fun is fun, right? The bike is rock-solid at 112 mph, accelerating smartly, and suddenly the supermodel with whom you were enjoying a late-night romp in the Jacuzzi turns into a fat girl cozying up next to you, the water jets get shut off, and a smattering of mysterious bubbles start popping at the surface, all around the now-blushing fat girl.
RE: 2017 Honda CB1100EX, still top speed / rev-limited? - dave - 02-06-2018
The new 2018 Goldwing is speed limited to 112mph/180 kph
The older Goldwings are not speed limited, are they? A couple of years back I went to pass a Goldwing on the freeway that had a passenger on the back with my VFR800, and he obviously didn't want to be passed, because when I looked at my speedometer and saw 120 mph I decided it wasn't worth it (I never did pass him).
RE: 2017 Honda CB1100EX, still top speed / rev-limited? - pdedse - 02-06-2018
(02-06-2018, 04:09 PM)VLJ_imp Wrote: I can now confirm with 100% certainty that the '17 EX is limited to 112 mph. Fourth gear, big handful of throttle, she zips right on up to 112 mp...then a big, soft pillow smacks you in the face.
Yeah, I don't like the limiter. It's not that I really need to go that fast. Obviously, I don't. Still, fun is fun, right? The bike is rock-solid at 112 mph, accelerating smartly, and suddenly the supermodel with whom you were enjoying a late-night romp in the Jacuzzi turns into a fat girl cozying up next to you, the water jets get shut off, and a smattering of mysterious bubbles start popping at the surface, all around the now-blushing fat girl.
So harsh! Sow now you know what said supermodel's limitations are. The question is will you be able to live with her faults, or will you buy her that ECU reflash dress for a mere $350 more?
RE: 2017 Honda CB1100EX, still top speed / rev-limited? - VLJ_imp - 02-06-2018
I would only reflash the ECU if I could somehow be convinced that the reflash would ditch the top-speed limiter, and nothing more. I don't want the fuel mapping altered in any way. The throttle response is perfect. I don't want to risk messing it up.
As infrequently as I would take this bike over 112 mph, and knowing that an ECU reflash voids the warranty, it's probably not worth the bother to me. I just wish Honda had never added the limiter in the first place.
RE: 2017 Honda CB1100EX, still top speed / rev-limited? - pdedse - 02-06-2018
(02-06-2018, 04:51 PM)VLJ_imp Wrote: I would only reflash the ECU if I could somehow be convinced that the reflash would ditch the top-speed limiter, and nothing more. I don't want the fuel mapping altered in any way. The throttle response is perfect. I don't want to risk messing it up.
As infrequently as I would take this bike over 112 mph, and knowing that an ECU reflash voids the warranty, it's probably not worth the bother to me. I just wish Honda had never added the limiter in the first place.
Understood. But at least you have an xsr900, right? Does't that satisfy the [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uiYEpqQXDU]need for speed at 130mph?
RE: 2017 Honda CB1100EX, still top speed / rev-limited? - jtopiso_imp - 02-06-2018
(02-06-2018, 03:49 PM)dbarkdoll_imp Wrote:(02-06-2018, 01:37 PM)The ferret_imp Wrote: It wouldn't bother me if it wasn't rev and speed limited, but it doesn't bother me that it is either. It doesn't affect me one way or the other.
Every modern motorcycle is limited electronically rather than mechanically. It can be a hard limiter or a soft limiter, but it's an electronic limiter none the less and the limiters prevent engine damage. In addition all manufaturers agreed to a gentlemans agreement ( except MV Augusta who refused) to limit all motorcycles no matter the displacement or horsepower to a maximum 186 mph. So your Aprilia VF4, your BMW S1000, your Kawasaki H2, your Yamaha FZ-10, your Ducati Panigale, your Suzuki Hyabusas... Even though they have 100 more horsepower than your CB 1100 will only run 74 mph faster.
This is interesting, and news to me. Any idea on the significance of 186 mph?
300 arbitrary, round and metric km/h
RE: 2017 Honda CB1100EX, still top speed / rev-limited? - Cormanus - 02-06-2018
(02-06-2018, 05:54 PM)jtopiso_imp Wrote:(02-06-2018, 03:49 PM)dbarkdoll_imp Wrote:(02-06-2018, 01:37 PM)The ferret_imp Wrote: It wouldn't bother me if it wasn't rev and speed limited, but it doesn't bother me that it is either. It doesn't affect me one way or the other.
Every modern motorcycle is limited electronically rather than mechanically. It can be a hard limiter or a soft limiter, but it's an electronic limiter none the less and the limiters prevent engine damage. In addition all manufaturers agreed to a gentlemans agreement ( except MV Augusta who refused) to limit all motorcycles no matter the displacement or horsepower to a maximum 186 mph. So your Aprilia VF4, your BMW S1000, your Kawasaki H2, your Yamaha FZ-10, your Ducati Panigale, your Suzuki Hyabusas... Even though they have 100 more horsepower than your CB 1100 will only run 74 mph faster.
This is interesting, and news to me. Any idea on the significance of 186 mph?
300 arbitrary, round and metric km/h
300 arbitrary, round and metric km/h
Nope. It’s when a real life flux capacitor kicks in.
RE: 2017 Honda CB1100EX, still top speed / rev-limited? - DaSwami_imp - 02-06-2018
(02-06-2018, 04:51 PM)VLJ_imp Wrote: I would only reflash the ECU if I could somehow be convinced that the reflash would ditch the top-speed limiter, and nothing more. I don't want the fuel mapping altered in any way. The throttle response is perfect. I don't want to risk messing it up.
As infrequently as I would take this bike over 112 mph, and knowing that an ECU reflash voids the warranty, it's probably not worth the bother to me. I just wish Honda had never added the limiter in the first place.
+1....the bike is otherwise perfect as is to me....I just want the speed limiter gone and nothing else done.
RE: 2017 Honda CB1100EX, still top speed / rev-limited? - VLJ_imp - 02-07-2018
pdedse, I reflashed the ECU on my XSR900 to match the Akrapovic full carbon fiber exhaust system I added. Stock, the XSR is top-speed limited to something like 130 mph (128 mph, IIRC), but my bike's limiter has been removed. Now, with 112.4 rwhp on the Dynojet dyno, her top speed is somewhere in the high 150s.
The only reason I reflashed the ECU was to avoid poor fueling once I swapped the exhaust systems. This is also the only reason I would reflash the CB's ECU, and since I won't be swapping the CB's exhaust I won't be reflashing the ECU.
RE: 2017 Honda CB1100EX, still top speed / rev-limited? - the Ferret - 02-07-2018
VLJ did you notice any rev limiting in any gears or was it just speed limiting? ie would it run to redline in 1st 2nd and 3rd but met the speed limiter before reaching redline in 4th?