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RE: Peace and Music - pekingduck - 07-19-2021

(07-19-2021, 01:20 PM)decarmine_imp Wrote: Ah, yes. Woodstock. My brother is pretty sure he was there...

Sounds like he had the total experience. Cool


RE: Peace and Music - Stichill_imp - 07-19-2021

I was six years old when Woodstock happened and was learning how to ride a bike and pull a loose tooth. I was born in a lost cohort (1962-64). Technically we are [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_boomers]Baby Boomers but we have essentially nothing in common culturally with elder Baby Boomers who relate to 1950s childhood prosperity and coming-of-age in a culture of rejecting your parents and their norms & values, civil rights, riots, protests, sexual revolution, feminism, drugs, Woodstock, cheap Middle East gas, stable currency, muscle cars, the draft/Vietnam, etc.

Our cultural touchstones were: success in space, failure in Vietnam, Richard Nixon opening China, Watergate, the Arab oil embargo, gas lines, the election of Jimmy Carter, setting back thermostats, kerosene heaters & wood stoves, shag carpet, ugly clothes, bad haircuts, particle board paneling, imposition of the 55 mph national speed limit, expensive gas, federally-mandated smog-equipped ugly cars with bad quality / poor fuel economy / no power, cheap Japanese imports wrecking complacent American manufacturing, stagflation, the Bicentennial, Star Wars, Carter's [url=https://wps.prenhall.com/wps/media/objects/108/111235/ch29_a5_d2.pdf]malaise speech, Ted Koppel's Iranian hostage crisis & hostage candles in the window, the ignominy of [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw]Operation Eagle Claw, boycotted 1980 Olympics, mind-numbingly repetitive playing of "album rock" hits on FM radio (same as today), tasteless disco, the Soviet Union, and the election of Ronald Reagan.

I was 13 in 1974 when [url=https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070992/]Happy Days first aired on TV. It was my first exposure to a world that seemed like a better, happier place. The music was simpler and more carefree. When the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sha_Na_Na_(TV_series)]Sha Na Na TV show came on the air in 1979, I was 17 and knew it was intentionally goofy tongue-in-cheek nostalgia but man, it was such a breath of fresh air and a light-hearted escape from the bad disco, hedonistic / nihilistic rock, the depressing socio-political-economic situation and the generally depressing cultural environment of the era. Thank the Maker that Punk Rock, New Wave, and MTV arrived to inject new energy and excitement into youth at the dawn of the new decade. After a brief recession to end stagflation, the economy rebounded and the woes of the past 15 years were finally put behind us. The party lasted until September 11, 2001 and it's been all downhill ever since!


RE: Peace and Music - GoldOxide_imp - 07-19-2021

I suppose the "Western World" has had it pretty good since WWII. Numerous non-western nations still have not, and some have noticeably improved - maybe with the exception of basic human rights.

I am just so happy we can ride our motorbikes - including the addictive CB1100 - freely.


RE: Peace and Music - the Ferret - 07-20-2021

I was 19 when Woodstock happened, and riding a Harley Panhead Chopper my brother and I had built. I wanted to go but wasn't sure my Panhead would make it there and back. (glad I didn't after hearing the after Woodstock reports)

[Image: 88b9b6c1018eff023a8f90f96899ea68.jpg?1]

It was a pretty big deal for people of my age group, but I don't regret missing it.


RE: Peace and Music - GoldOxide_imp - 07-20-2021

Something like Woodstock won't happen again, unless it is post-apocalyptical.

People just don't get along well enough these days to be that free and sharing.


RE: Peace and Music - Stichill_imp - 07-20-2021

Ferret, that is one cool photo of you and your bike! Thumbs Up

I have agree that you were lucky not to attend the festival. It just looks so gross and disgusting on so many levels. Confused Knowing you, I can't imagine you'd have enjoyed anything about it.

I think you might be the only person born in 1950 who doesn't claim to have been there! Tongue


RE: Peace and Music - the Ferret - 07-20-2021

Yea I dont think I'd have enjoyed myself much.

Missed Woodstock AND Viet Nam. How lucky was I? Lol


RE: Peace and Music - pekingduck - 07-20-2021

I wonder how many of those who actually went to Woodstock looked back and regretted it?


RE: Peace and Music - Tev62 - 07-20-2021

(07-19-2021, 02:15 PM)Stichill_imp Wrote: I was six years old when Woodstock happened and was learning how to ride a bike and pull a loose tooth. I was born in a lost cohort (1962-64). Technically we are [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_boomers]Baby Boomers but we have essentially nothing in common culturally with elder Baby Boomers who relate to 1950s childhood prosperity and coming-of-age in a culture of rejecting your parents and their norms & values, civil rights, riots, protests, sexual revolution, feminism, drugs, Woodstock, cheap Middle East gas, stable currency, muscle cars, the draft/Vietnam, etc.

Our cultural touchstones were: success in space, failure in Vietnam, Richard Nixon opening China, Watergate, the Arab oil embargo, gas lines, the election of Jimmy Carter, setting back thermostats, kerosene heaters & wood stoves, shag carpet, ugly clothes, bad haircuts, particle board paneling, imposition of the 55 mph national speed limit, expensive gas, federally-mandated smog-equipped ugly cars with bad quality / poor fuel economy / no power, cheap Japanese imports wrecking complacent American manufacturing, stagflation, the Bicentennial, Star Wars, Carter's [url=https://wps.prenhall.com/wps/media/objects/108/111235/ch29_a5_d2.pdf]malaise speech, Ted Koppel's Iranian hostage crisis & hostage candles in the window, the ignominy of [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw]Operation Eagle Claw, boycotted 1980 Olympics, mind-numbingly repetitive playing of "album rock" hits on FM radio (same as today), tasteless disco, the Soviet Union, and the election of Ronald Reagan.

I was 13 in 1974 when [url=https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070992/]Happy Days first aired on TV. It was my first exposure to a world that seemed like a better, happier place. The music was simpler and more carefree. When the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sha_Na_Na_(TV_series)]Sha Na Na TV show came on the air in 1979, I was 17 and knew it was intentionally goofy tongue-in-cheek nostalgia but man, it was such a breath of fresh air and a light-hearted escape from the bad disco, hedonistic / nihilistic rock, the depressing socio-political-economic situation and the generally depressing cultural environment of the era. Thank the Maker that Punk Rock, New Wave, and MTV arrived to inject new energy and excitement into youth at the dawn of the new decade. After a brief recession to end stagflation, the economy rebounded and the woes of the past 15 years were finally put behind us. The party lasted until September 11, 2001 and it's been all downhill ever since!

An embargo that was to tempt all sorts of shenanigans. I was in the British Merchant Navy (Merchant Marine) at the time, a Cadet Engineering Officer on an Ultra Large Crude Carrier (ULCC), Supertankers were small ships by then, but the term held on, catchier than Ultra Large Crude Carrier or Very Large Crude Carrier (VLCC), I digress.

During the embargo, as a British registered ship, we would go to Libya, take on Libyan Oil, which was US embargoed but not embargoed by the UK, and take it to the British Bahamas and pump it ashore. As soon as we finished pumping it ashore, we would take it back on, the exact same load. And now by the powers of magic it was "British Oil". The US were now free to buy this "British Oil". We would meet a US registered Texaco ship way out in the Atlantic Ocean and pump it on to the Texaco ship. That Texaco ship would then sail on happily to the US where all was in order.

And why was this done? Some people, way above my pay grade, probably got stinking filthy rich from the deal(s) because Libyan oil prices were massively depressed due to the US embargo. So, do we believe the embargo was a tactical ploy by US authorities (or a group of influential people) for a big pay day or a real moral stance on the then Libyan regime, who knows?


RE: Peace and Music - redbirds_imp - 07-20-2021

(07-20-2021, 06:49 PM)Tev62_imp Wrote:
(07-19-2021, 02:15 PM)Stichill_imp Wrote: I was six years old when Woodstock happened and was learning how to ride a bike and pull a loose tooth. I was born in a lost cohort (1962-64). Technically we are [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_boomers]Baby Boomers but we have essentially nothing in common culturally with elder Baby Boomers who relate to 1950s childhood prosperity and coming-of-age in a culture of rejecting your parents and their norms & values, civil rights, riots, protests, sexual revolution, feminism, drugs, Woodstock, cheap Middle East gas, stable currency, muscle cars, the draft/Vietnam, etc.

Our cultural touchstones were: success in space, failure in Vietnam, Richard Nixon opening China, Watergate, the Arab oil embargo, gas lines, the election of Jimmy Carter, setting back thermostats, kerosene heaters & wood stoves, shag carpet, ugly clothes, bad haircuts, particle board paneling, imposition of the 55 mph national speed limit, expensive gas, federally-mandated smog-equipped ugly cars with bad quality / poor fuel economy / no power, cheap Japanese imports wrecking complacent American manufacturing, stagflation, the Bicentennial, Star Wars, Carter's [url=https://wps.prenhall.com/wps/media/objects/108/111235/ch29_a5_d2.pdf]malaise speech, Ted Koppel's Iranian hostage crisis & hostage candles in the window, the ignominy of [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw]Operation Eagle Claw, boycotted 1980 Olympics, mind-numbingly repetitive playing of "album rock" hits on FM radio (same as today), tasteless disco, the Soviet Union, and the election of Ronald Reagan.

I was 13 in 1974 when [url=https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070992/]Happy Days first aired on TV. It was my first exposure to a world that seemed like a better, happier place. The music was simpler and more carefree. When the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sha_Na_Na_(TV_series)]Sha Na Na TV show came on the air in 1979, I was 17 and knew it was intentionally goofy tongue-in-cheek nostalgia but man, it was such a breath of fresh air and a light-hearted escape from the bad disco, hedonistic / nihilistic rock, the depressing socio-political-economic situation and the generally depressing cultural environment of the era. Thank the Maker that Punk Rock, New Wave, and MTV arrived to inject new energy and excitement into youth at the dawn of the new decade. After a brief recession to end stagflation, the economy rebounded and the woes of the past 15 years were finally put behind us. The party lasted until September 11, 2001 and it's been all downhill ever since!

An embargo that was to tempt all sorts of shenanigans. I was in the British Merchant Navy (Merchant Marine) at the time, a Cadet Engineering Officer on an Ultra Large Crude Carrier (ULCC), Supertankers were small ships by then, but the term held on, catchier than Ultra Large Crude Carrier or Very Large Crude Carrier (VLCC), I digress.

During the embargo, as a British registered ship, we would go to Libya, take on Libyan Oil, which was US embargoed but not embargoed by the UK, and take it to the British Bahamas and pump it ashore. As soon as we finished pumping it ashore, we would take it back on, the exact same load. And now by the powers of magic it was "British Oil". The US were now free to buy this "British Oil". We would meet a US registered Texaco ship way out in the Atlantic Ocean and pump it on to the Texaco ship. That Texaco ship would then sail on happily to the US where all was in order.

And why was this done? Some people, way above my pay grade, probably got stinking filthy rich from the deal(s) because Libyan oil prices were massively depressed due to the US embargo. So, do we believe the embargo was a tactical ploy by US authorities (or a group of influential people) for a big pay day or a real moral stance on the then Libyan regime, who knows?

An embargo that was to tempt all sorts of shenanigans. I was in the British Merchant Navy (Merchant Marine) at the time, a Cadet Engineering Officer on an Ultra Large Crude Carrier (ULCC), Supertankers were small ships by then, but the term held on, catchier than Ultra Large Crude Carrier or Very Large Crude Carrier (VLCC), I digress.

During the embargo, as a British registered ship, we would go to Libya, take on Libyan Oil, which was US embargoed but not embargoed by the UK, and take it to the British Bahamas and pump it ashore. As soon as we finished pumping it ashore, we would take it back on, the exact same load. And now by the powers of magic it was "British Oil". The US were now free to buy this "British Oil". We would meet a US registered Texaco ship way out in the Atlantic Ocean and pump it on to the Texaco ship. That Texaco ship would then sail on happily to the US where all was in order.

And why was this done? Some people, way above my pay grade, probably got stinking filthy rich from the deal(s) because Libyan oil prices were massively depressed due to the US embargo. So, do we believe the embargo was a tactical ploy by US authorities (or a group of influential people) for a big pay day or a real moral stance on the then Libyan regime, who knows?
Sounds about right to me.
(07-20-2021, 06:49 PM)Tev62_imp Wrote:
(07-19-2021, 02:15 PM)Stichill_imp Wrote: I was six years old when Woodstock happened and was learning how to ride a bike and pull a loose tooth. I was born in a lost cohort (1962-64). Technically we are [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_boomers]Baby Boomers but we have essentially nothing in common culturally with elder Baby Boomers who relate to 1950s childhood prosperity and coming-of-age in a culture of rejecting your parents and their norms & values, civil rights, riots, protests, sexual revolution, feminism, drugs, Woodstock, cheap Middle East gas, stable currency, muscle cars, the draft/Vietnam, etc.

Our cultural touchstones were: success in space, failure in Vietnam, Richard Nixon opening China, Watergate, the Arab oil embargo, gas lines, the election of Jimmy Carter, setting back thermostats, kerosene heaters & wood stoves, shag carpet, ugly clothes, bad haircuts, particle board paneling, imposition of the 55 mph national speed limit, expensive gas, federally-mandated smog-equipped ugly cars with bad quality / poor fuel economy / no power, cheap Japanese imports wrecking complacent American manufacturing, stagflation, the Bicentennial, Star Wars, Carter's [url=https://wps.prenhall.com/wps/media/objects/108/111235/ch29_a5_d2.pdf]malaise speech, Ted Koppel's Iranian hostage crisis & hostage candles in the window, the ignominy of [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw]Operation Eagle Claw, boycotted 1980 Olympics, mind-numbingly repetitive playing of "album rock" hits on FM radio (same as today), tasteless disco, the Soviet Union, and the election of Ronald Reagan.

I was 13 in 1974 when [url=https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070992/]Happy Days first aired on TV. It was my first exposure to a world that seemed like a better, happier place. The music was simpler and more carefree. When the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sha_Na_Na_(TV_series)]Sha Na Na TV show came on the air in 1979, I was 17 and knew it was intentionally goofy tongue-in-cheek nostalgia but man, it was such a breath of fresh air and a light-hearted escape from the bad disco, hedonistic / nihilistic rock, the depressing socio-political-economic situation and the generally depressing cultural environment of the era. Thank the Maker that Punk Rock, New Wave, and MTV arrived to inject new energy and excitement into youth at the dawn of the new decade. After a brief recession to end stagflation, the economy rebounded and the woes of the past 15 years were finally put behind us. The party lasted until September 11, 2001 and it's been all downhill ever since!

An embargo that was to tempt all sorts of shenanigans. I was in the British Merchant Navy (Merchant Marine) at the time, a Cadet Engineering Officer on an Ultra Large Crude Carrier (ULCC), Supertankers were small ships by then, but the term held on, catchier than Ultra Large Crude Carrier or Very Large Crude Carrier (VLCC), I digress.

During the embargo, as a British registered ship, we would go to Libya, take on Libyan Oil, which was US embargoed but not embargoed by the UK, and take it to the British Bahamas and pump it ashore. As soon as we finished pumping it ashore, we would take it back on, the exact same load. And now by the powers of magic it was "British Oil". The US were now free to buy this "British Oil". We would meet a US registered Texaco ship way out in the Atlantic Ocean and pump it on to the Texaco ship. That Texaco ship would then sail on happily to the US where all was in order.

And why was this done? Some people, way above my pay grade, probably got stinking filthy rich from the deal(s) because Libyan oil prices were massively depressed due to the US embargo. So, do we believe the embargo was a tactical ploy by US authorities (or a group of influential people) for a big pay day or a real moral stance on the then Libyan regime, who knows?

An embargo that was to tempt all sorts of shenanigans. I was in the British Merchant Navy (Merchant Marine) at the time, a Cadet Engineering Officer on an Ultra Large Crude Carrier (ULCC), Supertankers were small ships by then, but the term held on, catchier than Ultra Large Crude Carrier or Very Large Crude Carrier (VLCC), I digress.

During the embargo, as a British registered ship, we would go to Libya, take on Libyan Oil, which was US embargoed but not embargoed by the UK, and take it to the British Bahamas and pump it ashore. As soon as we finished pumping it ashore, we would take it back on, the exact same load. And now by the powers of magic it was "British Oil". The US were now free to buy this "British Oil". We would meet a US registered Texaco ship way out in the Atlantic Ocean and pump it on to the Texaco ship. That Texaco ship would then sail on happily to the US where all was in order.

And why was this done? Some people, way above my pay grade, probably got stinking filthy rich from the deal(s) because Libyan oil prices were massively depressed due to the US embargo. So, do we believe the embargo was a tactical ploy by US authorities (or a group of influential people) for a big pay day or a real moral stance on the then Libyan regime, who knows?
Sounds about right to me.