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RE: Getting ready for the riding season greeted by bad sounds.... - Pauley - 03-30-2014
Yipes. Does not sound right. Hope it's minor. Please keep us posted on the resolution.
RE: Getting ready for the riding season greeted by bad sounds.... - Deanohh_imp - 03-30-2014
Sorry guys I just can't stay away.
1. You read your oil level with engine warm and off, letting oil settle for a couple minutes. Bike on center stand if I remember right. When cold it might fill up the whole window so check warm.
2. That rattle low in the crankcase can be the balancer shaft gears. That funny spline shaft with the little arm on it that doesn't seem to do anything adjusts it. Too loose and it rattles.....too tight and the gears whine. You can use a piece of hose like a stethoscope to pinpoint the sound.... If its head valves or down low.
3. Its up to the dealer to fix this under warranty I think, although it might be just an adjustment which they might have set(incorrectly) at servicing. I think you need experience to do it properly.
RE: Getting ready for the riding season greeted by bad sounds.... - dBuster_imp - 03-30-2014
The oil was checked when warm... AND on the center stand.
I agree it will be the dealership to fix it!
Wonder if they will give me a loaner? A new 2014 as a loaner! One can hope...
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RE: Getting ready for the riding season greeted by bad sounds.... - Tortuga_imp - 03-30-2014
How was it on the way back from the service?
Re: Getting ready for the riding season greeted by bad sounds.... - dBuster_imp - 03-30-2014
It was fine on the way home from service. I did have my helmet on for the trip home maybe I didn't notice it...
Frustrating it is not being able to ride now.. I just hope it is something easy for them to fix.
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RE: Getting ready for the riding season greeted by bad sounds.... - vfrpaul98_imp - 03-30-2014
balancer shaft gear lash needs to be tightened up a tad. let the dealer make the adjustment so he will recognize it next time. you notice that slight throttle makes the noise go away, the balancer drive and driven gears are now loaded and not able to chatter back and forth at idle.
Paul.
RE: Getting ready for the riding season greeted by bad sounds.... - CIP57_imp - 03-30-2014
D,
I hate bringing anything to the dealer. If it was my bike, i would pick up a new Honda filter and Honda 10-30 ( not 40) syn. oil. Put in 4 full qts. Warm the bike up until it reaches its normal idle on the center stand. If you still have the rap bring it in. When i put 5-40 in my bike at the first oil change i had that lower end rap. Who knows what kind of oil the dealer put in your bike.
Does not look like your bike was on the center stand but you should see oil on the bottom level line when running with 4 full qts. i don't see anything. After a fresh oil change put your bike on the center stand in a area where you always check your oil. confirm that reading and work off that during oil checks. This bike is very hard to get a true reading.
Re: Getting ready for the riding season greeted by bad sounds.... - dBuster_imp - 03-30-2014
When I took those videos the bike was on the side stand. When it is on the center stand you do see oil at the bottom of the sight glass level mark. It is super clean oil and is difficult to see. Maybe I should have done the videos with the center stand but that is hind sight.
As far as the dealership, we have to trust someone. The bike is under warranty so they mess it up they get it fixed. Now my xs850 wouldn't be serviced there, after all it is 34 years old, older than the kids working the service department...
I keep running through my head the worst but I am hoping for the best. Being an American Legion Rider, part of membership you must have a bike to do the fund raising rides... Hopefully I get it fixed before the first ride...
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RE: Getting ready for the riding season greeted by bad sounds.... - vfrpaul98_imp - 03-30-2014
(03-30-2014, 07:14 AM)vfrpaul98_imp Wrote: balancer shaft gear lash needs to be tightened up a tad. let the dealer make the adjustment so he will recognize it next time. you notice that slight throttle makes the noise go away, the balancer drive and driven gears are now loaded and not able to chatter back and forth at idle.please ask the dealer to accurately check the engine idle rpm cold and hot to verify it is within factory spec 1100 rpm+/-100rpm. low idle rpm can cause this gear chatter noise.
Paul.
this test cannot be done by reading the bikes factory tach. it must be checked using an electronic tach accurate to 50 rpm or the HONDA HDS TOOL or HONDA'S DR.H laptop diagnostic system. a good dealer will have either.
Paul.
RE: Getting ready for the riding season greeted by bad sounds.... - Red Mist_imp - 03-30-2014
(03-30-2014, 11:03 AM)vfrpaul98_imp Wrote:please ask the dealer to accurately check the engine idle rpm cold and hot to verify it is within factory spec 1100 rpm+/-100rpm. low idle rpm can cause this gear chatter noise.(03-30-2014, 07:14 AM)vfrpaul98_imp Wrote: balancer shaft gear lash needs to be tightened up a tad. let the dealer make the adjustment so he will recognize it next time. you notice that slight throttle makes the noise go away, the balancer drive and driven gears are now loaded and not able to chatter back and forth at idle.please ask the dealer to accurately check the engine idle rpm cold and hot to verify it is within factory spec 1100 rpm+/-100rpm. low idle rpm can cause this gear chatter noise.
Paul.
this test cannot be done by reading the bikes factory tach. it must be checked using an electronic tach accurate to 50 rpm or the HONDA HDS TOOL or HONDA'S DR.H laptop diagnostic system. a good dealer will have either.
Paul.
this test cannot be done by reading the bikes factory tach. it must be checked using an electronic tach accurate to 50 rpm or the HONDA HDS TOOL or HONDA'S DR.H laptop diagnostic system. a good dealer will have either.
Paul. Follow Paul's advice. BTW the KLR650 has a very similar issue, involving a part everyone has elected to call the "doohickey". Sounds like something is rattling to pieces, it's just the balancer adjustment out of whack.
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