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RE: trying to put a tire on for the first time. won't inflate? - Desert viper_imp - 04-25-2019
Harbor Freight Tools, 5054 Dorchester Road, North Charleston, SC.....$114 with coupon....sooner or later you’re going to need one in your garage
RE: trying to put a tire on for the first time. won't inflate? - GoldOxide_imp - 04-25-2019
(no garage)
RE: trying to put a tire on for the first time. won't inflate? - misterprofessionality - 04-25-2019
lol that's way out of range. if i'd known going into it that i'd have no choice but to buy an air compressor i would never have even attempted it. nspending that much money on this is unthinkable. that's more than the cost of the tire.
trying to put a tire on for the first time. won't inflate? - chync_imp - 04-25-2019
You should also lubricate the inside of the rim so the tire won’t stick making it harder to bead. You need to use something that won’t corrode the metal rim. Something that evaporates. And removing the valve stem is a must to get the tire bead to seat. When I do a good job of wetting the rim I don’t need a strap using an air compressor at home. But the tire strap works well.
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RE: trying to put a tire on for the first time. won't inflate? - Stichill_imp - 04-25-2019
Lol, my two Millennial kids are also unbelievably cheap.
If you don't want to spend money on even a low-end compressor, you could get an [url=http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Force-FT5-5-Gallon-Portable-Tank/dp/B002MKP5TM]air tank and fill it someplace with free compressed air. Maybe your little compressor could even pump it up and then you could use it to seat the tire bead.
+1 on Razor's tip to remove the Schrader valve (you'll need a special but - thankfully - cheap tool) and then just blast a high volume of air into the tire quickly to seat the bead.
BTW, check Facebook Marketplace for used compressors and air tanks. The prices are often ridiculously cheap.
RE: trying to put a tire on for the first time. won't inflate? - jtopiso_imp - 04-25-2019
(04-25-2019, 11:26 AM)Houtman_imp Wrote: I used straps on tires for a wheel barrow and you need a lot of air FAST to set a tire on a rim , should not be that difficult.
You always have a "russian method" for anything, and it's always an effective (and dangerous) one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLtBojvDEyc
If somebody tries it, please make a video
RE: trying to put a tire on for the first time. won't inflate? - Cormanus - 04-25-2019
(04-25-2019, 02:02 PM)Stichill_imp Wrote: Lol, my two Millennial kids are also unbelievably cheap.
If you don't want to spend money on even a low-end compressor, you could get an [url=http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Force-FT5-5-Gallon-Portable-Tank/dp/B002MKP5TM]air tank and fill it someplace with free compressed air. Maybe your little compressor could even pump it up and then you could use it to seat the tire bead.
+1 on Razor's tip to remove the Schrader valve (you'll need a special but - thankfully - cheap tool) and then just blast a high volume of air into the tire quickly to seat the bead.
BTW, check Facebook Marketplace for used compressors and air tanks. The prices are often ridiculously cheap.
Bit harsh, I think. My impression of Mr P is that he's not cheap; he's managing a motorcycle budget pretty carefully.
RE: trying to put a tire on for the first time. won't inflate? - max - 04-25-2019
MP, have you tried removing the valve insert and inflating, setting the bead that way like razor mentions
Worked for me last time at the local fuel stop since it allows for more airflow, as soon as it was removed the tire inflated fine.
Once the bead pops on you deflate, re-insert the valve insert and inflate normally.
RE: trying to put a tire on for the first time. won't inflate? - Houtman_imp - 04-25-2019
If you work on your bikes a lot you NEED an air compressor , they will last you a life time if you buy a good one . Even if it means spending less money on up graded parts. Even for house hold jobs an air compressor is very handy : drying , cleaning , staples etc etc.
RE: trying to put a tire on for the first time. won't inflate? - misterprofessionality - 04-25-2019
(04-25-2019, 01:15 PM)chync_imp Wrote: You should also lubricate the inside of the rim so the tire won’t stick making it harder to bead. You need to use something that won’t corrode the metal rim. Something that evaporates. And removing the valve stem is a must to get the tire bead to seat. When I do a good job of wetting the rim I don’t need a strap using an air compressor at home. But the tire strap works well.
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i used loads of lubricant, believe me. wasted an entire jar of the stuff. its supposed to be specifically for tire mounting. it still took me almost 4 hours to get it into place. probably the most backbreaking, insane thing i've ever physically done. i will NEVER attempt it again.
(04-25-2019, 02:02 PM)Stichill_imp Wrote: Lol, my two Millennial kids are also unbelievably cheap.
If you don't want to spend money on even a low-end compressor, you could get an air tank and fill it someplace with free compressed air. Maybe your little compressor could even pump it up and then you could use it to seat the tire bead.
+1 on Razor's tip to remove the Schrader valve (you'll need a special but - thankfully - cheap tool) and then just blast a high volume of air into the tire quickly to seat the bead.
BTW, check Facebook Marketplace for used compressors and air tanks. The prices are often ridiculously cheap.
lol. being cheap is a matter of survival for my generation. if i wasn't cheap i wouldn't have everything I have. thankfully I'm one year away from owning a home outright, i own my vehicles, i get vacations and work one professional job, and I have all of that because i'm cheap as all heck. i cut corners at every opportunity, lie, cheat, steal, and beg. i will never, ever, ever let one thin penny escape from my pocket if there was any other way to get around it, and it's because of that strength that i've been able to be successful where 75% of my generation has failed.
being cheap is actually what gave me the idea to try to mount this tire. i thought "the shop wants like $40 bucks to mount the tire...the guide says all i need are tire irons, rim shields, lubricants, and an inflator. i've already got the inflator, so that's an easy choice. i can spend $40 on tools right now and never spend $40 to mount a tire again."
yea...what the guides didn't tell me is what you guys are telling me now, that i absolutely have a 3-digit price-range air compressor, that i need to spend another 20-30 bucks on ratchet straps, and what i found out on my own that the rim shields will be totally demolished after the first use. right now i'm trying to make sure that my ignorance doesn't cost me any money. i'm going to tell some lies and return the tire iron tools after this is all over, and never attempt this crap again. clearly it's cheaper just to let the shop do it if you don't already have an air compressor.
(04-25-2019, 04:25 PM)jtopiso_imp Wrote:(04-25-2019, 11:26 AM)Houtman_imp Wrote: I used straps on tires for a wheel barrow and you need a lot of air FAST to set a tire on a rim , should not be that difficult.
You always have a "russian method" for anything, and it's always an effective (and dangerous) one.
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLtBojvDEyc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLtBojvDEyc
If somebody tries it, please make a video
that's awesome and gnarly, but needless to say I will not be attempting that. i spent enough money on my tire, i don't need to buy another one.
very cool to watch though. you're not the first person to suggest the fire method to me, but i hadn't actually seen it done before.
(04-25-2019, 06:40 PM)max_imp Wrote: MP, have you tried removing the valve insert and inflating, setting the bead that way like razor mentions
Worked for me last time at the local fuel stop since it allows for more airflow, as soon as it was removed the tire inflated fine.
Once the bead pops on you deflate, re-insert the valve insert and inflate normally.
i do have that valve tool, and i've tried inflating both ways. the gas station air pump had no more success than my home device, but then of course i don't own ratchet straps.
The only option I have at this point is to try to bum some air compressor time off one of the installers that works for me. they might have a ratchet strap too. I don't know yet.
(04-25-2019, 08:59 PM)Houtman_imp Wrote: If you work on your bikes a lot you NEED an air compressor , they will last you a life time if you buy a good one . Even if it means spending less money on up graded parts. Even for house hold jobs an air compressor is very handy : drying , cleaning , staples etc etc.
haha houtman i'm quickly learning what my instincts have always been screaming at me: working on bikes is not for me. Every single time i try something new it ends up like this. nothing ever works like it's supposed to work. it always ends up costing me money. the sole exception to that is when somebody is actively sitting down and showing me what to do step by step, and there's nobody going to teach me how to work on bikes like that.
Bike parts are expensive as heck, so the way I see it, if i make a decision to buy some, they have to go on correctly the first time, without fail, without worry, and without fumbling around trying to figure out what I did wrong. Whatever bike parts i get in the future, they're going to go right to a shop and go on in the hands of a professional, which is the way I always have conducted business up to this point.
Clearly something broke in my brain when i decided i was going to attempt to learn how to do this stuff. lesson learned.