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RE: Oil Change Time! - Cormanus - 08-25-2020
Nice work, Jambo. That engine looks terrific.
Moving along, there’s no point in an oil thread without acrimony and controversy. Mobil, Shell, Motul, GN4. They’re all rubbish and will do nothing but damage your motorcycle. Luckily, you’re a member of the CB1100 Forum through which you can obtain the only oil right for your bike. Match it with a previously demonstrated proven to leak K&N oil filter and you’re in business.
(04-18-2015, 04:54 PM)Pterodactyl_imp Wrote:(04-10-2015, 01:00 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: hubris? Isn't that the pasty stuff made out of squashed chick peas?
(04-10-2015, 01:09 AM)EmptySea_imp Wrote: No no, Mickey. It's a cedar box in which you store cigars.
(04-10-2015, 07:02 AM)Papa Weeley_imp Wrote: Huh. I always thought it was something that was very funny.
Hubris? Could be good for a personalised plate but it is none of the above I'm afraid.
HUBRIS is, in fact, a fully synthetic Omni Grade Motorcycle Oil. It is especially formulated for the CB1100. It is, despite being synthetic, a fully natural, grass fed, cholesterol and gluten free product. It is approved by the UNHCMO*, the IPCC and the CIA. It is guaranteed to eradicate and/or prevent engine noises, rattling, sputtering and vibration, frame rot, suspension chatter, brake binding, steering oscillatiions and other common CB maladies. A drop or two applied to the ECM will remove all limiters and result in massive increases in power and torque. It also may be effacious in the prevention of high side, low side and other rider induced moments. It is rumoured that a certain very successful MotoGP racer uses HUBRIS. To obtain Dr Dactyl's HUBRIS oil please send to Dr Dactyl your credit card details by Email. Be quick, it is in very short supply.
Cheers
* the United Nations High Commission for Motorcycle Oils.
RE: Oil Change Time! - KiowaEagle_imp - 08-25-2020
(08-25-2020, 08:58 AM)misterprofessionality_imp Wrote: i have to question the math on the reusable filter....not because i want to be an antagonist, but because i'm genuinely curious if it's worth it.
a proflo filter: https://www.sportbiketrackgear.com/pc-racing-honda-cb1100-13-14-flo-reusable-oil-filter/
That's on sale at $116. now, i'm getting my oem honda oil filters for about 12 bucks apiece. I change said filters every two oil changes. by the book, that would be 16000 miles on a filter! but i don't go by the book. I change my oil every 4k miles just for the sake of overkill (we have something in common). I've been debating pulling back to 6k though, because i'm starting to think it's just silly paranoia.
anywho, 12 bucks per filter every 8k miles means that i will have to ride a WHOPPING 80k miles before the proflo breaks even with the oem filters in terms of cost. you'd have to be into 6 digit mileage before the proflo even really starts to show its true colors as a cost benefit that matters. you touched on this in your post, coming close to a similar conclusion when you mentioned the 10 oil changes.
alongside that, i have to question the long term durability of the filter. for Jambo: have you run any of those reusable filters for 80k miles without replacing it or replacing the mesh? what's the wear and tear like? It's only prudent to question whether the device can even stand up to enough abuse to justify its cost.
TLDR: is the proflo actually going to amount to any practical savings? or is it just convenient?
I genuinely have never heard of this concept and like MP I'm curious. My question is how do you clean it? I hate emptying and occasionally having to clean my bagless vacuum cleaner. This seems like much dirtier work than that. What's the procedure?
RE: Oil Change Time! - peterbaron - 08-25-2020
(08-25-2020, 09:06 AM)Cormanus_imp Wrote: Nice work, Jambo. That engine looks terrific.
Moving along, there’s no point in an oil thread without acrimony and controversy. Mobil, Shell, Motul, GN4. They’re all rubbish and will do nothing but damage your motorcycle. Luckily, you’re a member of the CB1100 Forum through which you can obtain the only oil right for your bike. Match it with a previously demonstrated proven to leak K&N oil filter and you’re in business.
(04-18-2015, 04:54 PM)Pterodactyl_imp Wrote:(04-10-2015, 01:00 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: hubris? Isn't that the pasty stuff made out of squashed chick peas?
(04-10-2015, 01:09 AM)EmptySea_imp Wrote: No no, Mickey. It's a cedar box in which you store cigars.
(04-10-2015, 07:02 AM)Papa Weeley_imp Wrote: Huh. I always thought it was something that was very funny.
Hubris? Could be good for a personalised plate but it is none of the above I'm afraid.
HUBRIS is, in fact, a fully synthetic Omni Grade Motorcycle Oil. It is especially formulated for the CB1100. It is, despite being synthetic, a fully natural, grass fed, cholesterol and gluten free product. It is approved by the UNHCMO*, the IPCC and the CIA. It is guaranteed to eradicate and/or prevent engine noises, rattling, sputtering and vibration, frame rot, suspension chatter, brake binding, steering oscillatiions and other common CB maladies. A drop or two applied to the ECM will remove all limiters and result in massive increases in power and torque. It also may be effacious in the prevention of high side, low side and other rider induced moments. It is rumoured that a certain very successful MotoGP racer uses HUBRIS. To obtain Dr Dactyl's HUBRIS oil please send to Dr Dactyl your credit card details by Email. Be quick, it is in very short supply.
Cheers
* the United Nations High Commission for Motorcycle Oils.
Wow, I am very impressed with HUBRIS special oil...I took a 3.0 cc dose in AM and PM and I cannot see any prosthetic insert in my right knee = amazing
Good stuff!
Side note: Lord Popgun, be carful with your case...your Secret Decoder Ring may be visible from its first application!!
RE: Oil Change Time! - Lord Popgun - 08-25-2020
I have no HUBRIS oil. I don’t think we can even have it in the US! In fact, IIRC, Ptero almost got Cormanus arrested at the first rally for smuggling some in. There is even a picture of the PoPo talking to him about it.
In any case, we all know the best oil is OHHH, I have some Cherry Garcia in the freezer. Gotta get some!
RE: Oil Change Time! - Jambo_imp - 08-25-2020
(08-25-2020, 06:48 AM)LongRanger_imp Wrote: No controversy here. Use what you like. Everyone seems to use different oil and filters on their CB and we’ve yet to hear of any engine failures (aside from the K&N fiasco).What K&N fiasco? Must be a thread here somewhere.
(08-25-2020, 06:48 AM)LongRanger_imp Wrote: No controversy here. Use what you like. Everyone seems to use different oil and filters on their CB and we’ve yet to hear of any engine failures (aside from the K&N fiasco).What K&N fiasco? Must be a thread here somewhere.
(08-25-2020, 08:58 AM)misterprofessionality_imp Wrote: i have to question the math on the reusable filter....not because i want to be an antagonist, but because i'm genuinely curious if it's worth it.You are right in questioning it. I have seen them recently (somewhere) for $90. That surely makes a difference in the cost benefit analyses. You are also right in questioning the longevity. Trouble for me, in that I have used these on three separate bikes, is I have a propensity to change the bikes often, hence why I happened to already have that one on hand. I do not remember what I paid, but recollection said it was around $100. I may have gotten 30K out of one, but it could have been less. There is a convenience factor. It is a thin steel mesh, and anything in the world could fail, but tend to think that less likely than a fiber/paper based element. Also because it is a "racing application", the flow rate is higher and therefore, the micron is also higher (theoretically). Oil filter manufacturers, IF they test to standards end up with an AVERAGE for the filter life, as what it flows in the beginning is not what it flows in the end, so it is really hard to compare the actual filtering characteristics. In my case, a change is so relatively cheap, that around 3K miles and a change, the oil is darkened somewhat, but still looks pretty good. I know I am not needing to do this. But, in the bikes and the cars, when I change the oil I can tell the difference in the smoothness of the motor. It can't be hurting it. Only my wallet. The cost is so low though, I don't worry about it.
a proflo filter: https://www.sportbiketrackgear.com/pc-racing-honda-cb1100-13-14-flo-reusable-oil-filter/
That's on sale at $116. now, i'm getting my oem honda oil filters for about 12 bucks apiece. I change said filters every two oil changes. by the book, that would be 16000 miles on a filter! but i don't go by the book. I change my oil every 4k miles just for the sake of overkill (we have something in common). I've been debating pulling back to 6k though, because i'm starting to think it's just silly paranoia.
anywho, 12 bucks per filter every 8k miles means that i will have to ride a WHOPPING 80k miles before the proflo breaks even with the oem filters in terms of cost. you'd have to be into 6 digit mileage before the proflo even really starts to show its true colors as a cost benefit that matters. you touched on this in your post, coming close to a similar conclusion when you mentioned the 10 oil changes.
alongside that, i have to question the long term durability of the filter. for Jambo: have you run any of those reusable filters for 80k miles without replacing it or replacing the mesh? what's the wear and tear like? It's only prudent to question whether the device can even stand up to enough abuse to justify its cost.
TLDR: is the proflo actually going to amount to any practical savings? or is it just convenient?
To the car vs. bike, and to generate more controversy, it is hard for me to imagine the difference and how the oil formula is much different when it is already synthetic. Bikes (allegedly) rev higher, some anyway, but the redline on the CB (judging by the tach) is 8500, and the Honda Civic I have is around 6800 (larger reciprocating mass). And the bike clutch is bathed in oil, which could generate more particles. Other than that, there really isn't a difference.
If some people feel there is evidence (have not done exhaustive research) that the bike formulations justify a 300% increase in oil acquisition cost, and the result in terms of longevity is measurable, than the $55 cost of a change (oil and OEM filter) could be justified.
I change the oil so often, I wonder how bad it would be for the bike motor if the filter was bypassed. Of course, I do not want to test that though.
YMMV!
RE: Oil Change Time! - Lord Popgun - 08-25-2020
Others can expound, but the gist is that the weld at the nut would rupture and spew oil out. Happened to a couple of members here. Oil all over the bottom of the engine, making its way all over the rear tire. Not Good.
The problem was actually documented on a lot of boards for a pretty long time. K&N got sued or maybe told to have a recall or something but said it only happened over a short time span. That part was't true, but, whatever.
RE: Oil Change Time! - Jambo_imp - 08-25-2020
(08-25-2020, 09:26 AM)KiowaEagle_imp Wrote:(08-25-2020, 08:58 AM)misterprofessionality_imp Wrote: i have to question the math on the reusable filter....not because i want to be an antagonist, but because i'm genuinely curious if it's worth it.
a proflo filter: https://www.sportbiketrackgear.com/pc-racing-honda-cb1100-13-14-flo-reusable-oil-filter/
That's on sale at $116. now, i'm getting my oem honda oil filters for about 12 bucks apiece. I change said filters every two oil changes. by the book, that would be 16000 miles on a filter! but i don't go by the book. I change my oil every 4k miles just for the sake of overkill (we have something in common). I've been debating pulling back to 6k though, because i'm starting to think it's just silly paranoia.
anywho, 12 bucks per filter every 8k miles means that i will have to ride a WHOPPING 80k miles before the proflo breaks even with the oem filters in terms of cost. you'd have to be into 6 digit mileage before the proflo even really starts to show its true colors as a cost benefit that matters. you touched on this in your post, coming close to a similar conclusion when you mentioned the 10 oil changes.
alongside that, i have to question the long term durability of the filter. for Jambo: have you run any of those reusable filters for 80k miles without replacing it or replacing the mesh? what's the wear and tear like? It's only prudent to question whether the device can even stand up to enough abuse to justify its cost.
TLDR: is the proflo actually going to amount to any practical savings? or is it just convenient?
I genuinely have never heard of this concept and like MP I'm curious. My question is how do you clean it? I hate emptying and occasionally having to clean my bagless vacuum cleaner. This seems like much dirtier work than that. What's the procedure?
I genuinely have never heard of this concept and like MP I'm curious. My question is how do you clean it? I hate emptying and occasionally having to clean my bagless vacuum cleaner. This seems like much dirtier work than that. What's the procedure?
I you look at the picture posted to the link, you just push down and rotate as the unit is keyed and it pops out from the spring mechanism that pushes up on the filter cartridge. I usually am wearing gloves when changing the oil (Harbor Freight sells some inexpensive 7 or 8 mil thick blue latex gloves), because I will get oil on my hands otherwise in removing the filter plug. Have paper towels and plastic baggy on hand to wipe off the plug and motor at the plug and filter. Take the cartridge, spray it with some carb cleaner from the inside, blow it out with compressed air and let it dry. Can be done while the oil drips, so no extra time involved. I have a bus pan from Costco I use for this, but any oil change pan is good, to catch the carb spray and any gook. After all said change is done, I towel off everything and wipe pans out and the funnel used for recycle, and put away. Takes 30-60 minutes total. Less than the time required to take it somewhere. And I know it is done correctly.
One other note. The filter comes with a rubber gasket and spare. Theoretically, if those don't last 10 oil changes, there might be some more expense to get gaskets.
(08-25-2020, 08:58 AM)misterprofessionality_imp Wrote: i have to question the math on the reusable filter....not because i want to be an antagonist, but because i'm genuinely curious if it's worth it.
a proflo filter: https://www.sportbiketrackgear.com/pc-racing-honda-cb1100-13-14-flo-reusable-oil-filter/
That's on sale at $116. now, i'm getting my oem honda oil filters for about 12 bucks apiece. I change said filters every two oil changes. by the book, that would be 16000 miles on a filter! but i don't go by the book. I change my oil every 4k miles just for the sake of overkill (we have something in common). I've been debating pulling back to 6k though, because i'm starting to think it's just silly paranoia.
anywho, 12 bucks per filter every 8k miles means that i will have to ride a WHOPPING 80k miles before the proflo breaks even with the oem filters in terms of cost. you'd have to be into 6 digit mileage before the proflo even really starts to show its true colors as a cost benefit that matters. you touched on this in your post, coming close to a similar conclusion when you mentioned the 10 oil changes.
alongside that, i have to question the long term durability of the filter. for Jambo: have you run any of those reusable filters for 80k miles without replacing it or replacing the mesh? what's the wear and tear like? It's only prudent to question whether the device can even stand up to enough abuse to justify its cost.
TLDR: is the proflo actually going to amount to any practical savings? or is it just convenient?
I see a seller on Amazon selling one for $110.18 shipped. There is another for $75, but it is made by DLP, so thinking that is a Chinese knockoff. Would have to do some research there. The one I used is a PCS1 model, and it is the same one put on my 2014 Valkyrie. The OEM is Honda Oil Filter 15410-MFJ-D01 for CB1100 and Revzilla has those for $10.69.
I actually called this the wrong name. It is called a FLO reusable filter by PC Racing. From their website:
https://pcracingusa.com/shop/flo-oil/spin-on/honda-street-pcs1/
It fits the CB1100 '13-'15.
Maybe a hard to prove argument is that with it being billet and having cooling fins and being in the wind on the leading edge of the motor, maybe it offers additional cooling properties than an OEM, but I am not really going to make that claim.
I think it does LOOK cool! Lol.
RE: Oil Change Time! - KiowaEagle_imp - 08-26-2020
One more question Jambo, are you coming to the rally? We'd all like to see that beautiful bike of yours and you're not that far!
http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=15158
RE: Oil Change Time! - the Ferret - 08-26-2020
Jambo, here's one of several K&N threads on this forum
http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=11185&highlight=oil+filter+failure
RE: Oil Change Time! - Jambo_imp - 08-27-2020
(08-26-2020, 12:20 AM)KiowaEagle_imp Wrote: One more question Jambo, are you coming to the rally? We'd all like to see that beautiful bike of yours and you're not that far!
http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=15158
Thanks for letting me know as I was unaware.
Likely not, for several reasons:
I actually have only put on about 10 miles so far on the CB before I started working (disassembling) on it. Right now my Delkevic full system is only dry fit, not installed, and I think I will need the PC installed, and a shakedown done before an 8-hour trip. I am drowning in work, and will be working this weekend, and Labor Day too. I actually just got registered yesterday and put the tag on. The 10 miles was from slapping on another tag just to get the state inspection done.