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RE: Replacing Wheels - Manual Instructions Ludicrous - pekingduck - 12-09-2021
(12-07-2021, 12:24 PM)pekingduck_imp Wrote: GO, the phrase "an abundance of caution" comes to mind. And as Popgun says, it depends what you're doing. If you are powdercoating the wheels, it's not a bad idea to replace the bearings and seals but, again, not mandatory.
New caliper and rotor bolts come with a "locking" adhesive, but could be re-used with a proper amount of locking adhesive. But lacking the proper type adhesive, someone might use silicone sealant, super-glue, anti-sieze compound, or nothing at all.
Not using the correct locking agent impacts the torque reading, at the least. So bolt replacement is the idiot-proof solution.
According to the manual, the washer, spring, and collar for the discs do not have to be replaced.
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So this is what I initially thought based on the graphic on 12-18 [[url=https://i.imgur.com/AZ3xUcn.jpg]uploaded a scan here]. However the graphic on page 12-19 [[url=https://i.imgur.com/CNk44rw.jpg]scan here] implies that the bolt, spring, collar, and washer all need to be replaced by putting the [NEW] symbol by "[2]/[4]/[5]/[6]". Do you think this is just a lack of clarity on Honda's part?
I have half a mind to track down one of those Honda certified techs I used to know and ask.
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The illustration shows the "new" icon as a general warning that certain parts within the illustration need to be replaced. In this case, only the bolts[6] and dust seal [7]need replacement. Yes, they could have separated the [5] from the [6] better. Or just an oversight on the editors' part.
The text next to the illustration (my underline and bold) reads:
"Install the washers [2], brake disc [3], springs [4] and collars [5] onto the wheel hub with new brake disc bolts [6]".
RE: Replacing Wheels - Manual Instructions Ludicrous - jasonsargonautalis_imp - 12-09-2021
(12-09-2021, 09:15 AM)pekingduck_imp Wrote:So this is what I initially thought based on the graphic on 12-18 [[url=https://i.imgur.com/AZ3xUcn.jpg]uploaded a scan here]. However the graphic on page 12-19 [[url=https://i.imgur.com/CNk44rw.jpg]scan here] implies that the bolt, spring, collar, and washer all need to be replaced by putting the [NEW] symbol by "[2]/[4]/[5]/[6]". Do you think this is just a lack of clarity on Honda's part?(12-07-2021, 12:24 PM)pekingduck_imp Wrote: GO, the phrase "an abundance of caution" comes to mind. And as Popgun says, it depends what you're doing. If you are powdercoating the wheels, it's not a bad idea to replace the bearings and seals but, again, not mandatory.
New caliper and rotor bolts come with a "locking" adhesive, but could be re-used with a proper amount of locking adhesive. But lacking the proper type adhesive, someone might use silicone sealant, super-glue, anti-sieze compound, or nothing at all.
Not using the correct locking agent impacts the torque reading, at the least. So bolt replacement is the idiot-proof solution.
According to the manual, the washer, spring, and collar for the discs do not have to be replaced.
I have half a mind to track down one of those Honda certified techs I used to know and ask.
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The illustration shows the "new" icon as a general warning that certain parts within the illustration need to be replaced. In this case, only the bolts[6] and dust seal [7]need replacement. Yes, they could have separated the [5] from the [6] better. Or just an oversight on the editors' part.
The text next to the illustration (my underline and bold) reads:
"Install the washers [2], brake disc [3], springs [4] and collars [5] onto the wheel hub with new brake disc bolts [6]".
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Yeah, despite what the text says, and the graphic on 12-8 indicates, that lack of clarity in the separation is what made me question everything. I've run across a few ambiguously worded repair manuals, or instructions, that I've misinterpreted over the years. Just didn't want to take that chance with something as important as the brakes.
After investigatinog with the service techs I feel comfortable just replacing the bolts and dust seals.
RE: Replacing Wheels - Manual Instructions Ludicrous - jimgl3_imp - 12-11-2021
you sure as _______ better replace the disc bolts (rotor bolts) or you may break one off like I did!