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RE: Ethanol free fuel - redbirds_imp - 07-23-2014
There is a country store about ten miles away that sells both premium and regular sans ethanol. I buy the regular there when I can for my bikes but always use this fuel for all my small motors and lawn care equipment. I cannot detect any difference with my bikes using the non ethanol gas but my riding mower (V twin Honda), runs much better. I used Sea Foam in the ethanol gas to prevent carburetor problems I had in the past.
I do not use premium as Honda does not call for it. There is no advantage whatever for using premium unless engine knock results on regular.
RE: Ethanol free fuel - CIP57_imp - 07-23-2014
If I had the choice it would be non ethanol fuel. Not available in my area. I run it in NC in my truck, bike and lawn equipment.
I run 89 octane in the CB. When i was running premium with the pair mod you do notice increased unburnt fuel smell. I personally think the bike runs better on a lower octane the premium.
RE: Ethanol free fuel - Hittheroad_imp - 07-23-2014
I use 91 octane, non oxygenated (ethanol free) fuel in all my small engines, snowmobiles, and motorcycles. I would use 87 octane if it was available in non oxygenated around here, but it's not. 91 octane is not a requirement for most machines, but it's better than having ethanol in your fuel. IMO. The shelf life of ethanol fuel is short. If your ethanol based fuel sits in your tank more than a month, it will start to leave a varnish on anything it touches. When I buy a used machine, I can always tell that they used ethanol fuel when I rebuild the carburetors. Varnish everywhere. But I usually get a good deal on it because it wasn't running very good!
At a minimum, when winterizing / summarizing your machines, fill your tank with non oxygenated fuel and run it until it gets thru the system.
Here is a good website.
http://www.pure-gas.org
There is also an app called Pure Gas for your phone.
RE: Ethanol free fuel - CIP57_imp - 07-23-2014
(07-23-2014, 09:58 PM)Hittheroad_imp Wrote: I use 91 octane, non oxygenated (ethanol free) fuel in all my small engines, snowmobiles, and motorcycles. I would use 87 octane if it was available in non oxygenated around here, but it's not. 91 octane is not a requirement for most machines, but it's better than having ethanol in your fuel. IMO. The shelf life of ethanol fuel is short. If your ethanol based fuel sits in your tank more than a month, it will start to leave a varnish on anything it touches. When I buy a used machine, I can always tell that they used ethanol fuel when I rebuild the carburetors. Varnish everywhere. But I usually get a good deal on it because it wasn't running very good!+1 I run Marine Stabil in ever tank of ethanol fuel.
At a minimum, when winterizing / summarizing your machines, fill your tank with non oxygenated fuel and run it until it gets thru the system.
Here is a good website.
http://www.pure-gas.org
There is also an app called Pure Gas for your phone.
RE: Ethanol free fuel - CA200_imp - 07-23-2014
Just lucky to live close to a US gas station that has all grades of ethanol free gas. Never have storage troubles and I get 52 - 58 mpg
on the CB all the time.
RE: Ethanol free fuel - Pterodactyl_imp - 07-24-2014
CIP, I believe Honda specify minimum 91 octane and max 5% ethanol 10% methanol. The general concencus here in OZ is to avoid both ethanol and methanol.
Cheers
RE: Ethanol free fuel - CIP57_imp - 07-24-2014
(07-24-2014, 02:36 AM)Pterodactyl_imp Wrote: CIP, I believe Honda specify minimum 91 octane and max 5% ethanol 10% methanol. The general concencus here in OZ is to avoid both ethanol and methanol.
Cheers
86 or higher in the US per manual although I've never seen 86, our pumps are usually 87/89/91/93 Maybe they rate octane different here.
RE: Ethanol free fuel - AzBob_imp - 07-24-2014
I run 10% ethanol 87 octane (R+M/2 method) all the time. No problems whatsoever.
(07-24-2014, 05:04 AM)CIP57_imp Wrote:(07-24-2014, 02:36 AM)Pterodactyl_imp Wrote: CIP, I believe Honda specify minimum 91 octane and max 5% ethanol 10% methanol. The general concencus here in OZ is to avoid both ethanol and methanol.
Cheers
86 or higher in the US per manual although I've never seen 86, our pumps are usually 87/89/91/93 Maybe they rate octane different here.
Maybe they rate octane different here.
We do. U.S. uses (R + M) / 2 method. Many parts of the rest of world use just the Ron number, which is the "R" in the aforementioned formula, so it will be a higher number elsewhere in the world.
RE: Ethanol free fuel - Pterodactyl_imp - 07-24-2014
(07-24-2014, 06:09 AM)AzBob_imp Wrote: I run 10% ethanol 87 octane (R+M/2 method) all the time. No problems whatsoever.
(07-24-2014, 05:04 AM)CIP57_imp Wrote:(07-24-2014, 02:36 AM)Pterodactyl_imp Wrote: CIP, I believe Honda specify minimum 91 octane and max 5% ethanol 10% methanol. The general concencus here in OZ is to avoid both ethanol and methanol.
Cheers
86 or higher in the US per manual although I've never seen 86, our pumps are usually 87/89/91/93 Maybe they rate octane different here.
Maybe they rate octane different here.
We do. U.S. uses (R + M) / 2 method. Many parts of the rest of world use just the Ron number, which is the "R" in the aforementioned formula, so it will be a higher number elsewhere in the world.
Maybe they rate octane different here.
We do. U.S. uses (R + M) / 2 method. Many parts of the rest of world use just the Ron number, which is the "R" in the aforementioned formula, so it will be a higher number elsewhere in the world.
That is correct. A RON of 91 - 92 (Aus, NZ, Europe and many other parts of the world) is referred to as regular petrol, or gasoline. This equates to a MON of about 82 - 83 in the US, Canada, Brazil and some other countries, also referred to as regular.
Super/Premium in OZ is 95 and there are various brands of 98 available. Shell V-Power, BP Ultimate etc.
Although up to 10% methanol is approved for the CB I'm just a grumpy old fart who prefers not to use it. If it's not fresh then it can absorb moisture.
I guess a petrol thread could be as entertaining as an oil or tyre thread. But then, maybe not.
Cheers
RE: Ethanol free fuel - Mr Jangles_imp - 07-24-2014
I've been using this stuff, it's not the pink storage treatment stuff but the stuff to combat the effects of ethanol in your engine, a little bit goes along way. I get it at walmart.
http://www.basspro.com/STA-BIL-Marine-Formula-Ethanol-Treatment/product/1205110817131/?hvarAID=shopping_googleproductextensions&om_mmc=shopping_googleproductextensions&kpid=1205110817131%26adc=pg_315_11125_5314f391e4b0354af5ca10ef_47500018111