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RE: Considering a 2014 leb'n hundit - Cormanus - 08-24-2014
I was supposed to have my valve adjustment checked at 12,000 kms, but I was away riding and didn't get the service done until 15,600 kms. I had the valve adjustment checked and it was within tolerance.
Every time I ride this bike I enjoy it more.
RE: Considering a 2014 leb'n hundit - gossman_imp - 08-24-2014
Valve adjustments just aren't a big deal , fairly easy to do especially on these motors. But a warning to note, I know a few who were very insistent on keeping them snug and it ends in a short engine life. I don't suggest that you ignore them but I've owned a few 550 fours that I was less than diligent, the valves rattled and no problems. There is probably a YouTube video somewhere that shows how to do it. Usually took me a little over 3 hours, now I'll probably take 5 hours, but beer stops and bsing is part of the process.
Considering a 2014 leb'n hundit - Elipten_imp - 08-24-2014
Great bike, my only must do is changing the seat, but many have no issues. I do safety upgrade but not required. Valve adjustment no big deal IMHO.
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RE: Considering a 2014 leb'n hundit - 14CharlieBravo11_imp - 08-25-2014
Got a '14 last month, absolutely love it. The only thing I did to it right away is add a Street Shield since most of my riding is 60-75mph. Thinking about a different seat, but I'll give that some more time (stock one is decent). The valve adjustment is/was not a deal-breaker for me. Got about 2,000 miles on it now and it runs great.
RE: Considering a 2014 leb'n hundit - Lord Popgun - 08-25-2014
(08-24-2014, 11:27 AM)gossman_imp Wrote: Valve adjustments just aren't a big deal , fairly easy to do especially on these motors. But a warning to note, I know a few who were very insistent on keeping them snug and it ends in a short engine life. I don't suggest that you ignore them but I've owned a few 550 fours that I was less than diligent, the valves rattled and no problems. There is probably a YouTube video somewhere that shows how to do it. Usually took me a little over 3 hours, now I'll probably take 5 hours, but beer stops and bsing is part of the process.
Gossman, You do know that you have to pull the cams to adjust the valves. Easy for you maybe
RE: Considering a 2014 leb'n hundit - gossman_imp - 08-25-2014
(08-25-2014, 02:01 AM)Lord Popgun_imp Wrote:(08-24-2014, 11:27 AM)gossman_imp Wrote: Valve adjustments just aren't a big deal , fairly easy to do especially on these motors. But a warning to note, I know a few who were very insistent on keeping them snug and it ends in a short engine life. I don't suggest that you ignore them but I've owned a few 550 fours that I was less than diligent, the valves rattled and no problems. There is probably a YouTube video somewhere that shows how to do it. Usually took me a little over 3 hours, now I'll probably take 5 hours, but beer stops and bsing is part of the process.
Gossman, You do know that you have to pull the cams to adjust the valves. Easy for you maybe
Gossman, You do know that you have to pull the cams to adjust the valves. Easy for you maybe
Just don't sweat it. Get a buddy and a service book, take your time, go slow, and follow the plan. I doubt most owners who average 2 to 3 k in yearly mileage will ever see an actual adjustment. The check is easy for most. If one has doubts, the $700 cost is a easy choice, especially for the low mileage riders.
RE: Considering a 2014 leb'n hundit - AzBob_imp - 08-25-2014
If you're a detail-oriented person, pulling the cams is actually pretty easy, assuming you have the shop manual. If you're the kind of person that doesn't read instructions when they get something new and just figures it out on your own, you probably want to have a trusted mechanic do the valve check/adjustment for you as it's very precise and requires writing down a bunch of measurements that must be taken accurately and in-order. You also need the appropriate tools (long feeler gauges, a magnet, a micrometer, etc.).
RE: Considering a 2014 leb'n hundit - Leb'n Hundit_imp - 08-25-2014
(08-24-2014, 07:31 AM)Rboe_imp Wrote: You want a Moto Guzzi. Heads are out in the breeze making them easy peasy to get to, no tupperware to remove (save the Norge) and they are screw and lock nut. Old school air cooled (oil cooled on some, still mostly air cooled) and they are shaft drive.
No dealer network to speak of so you'll do most of the work yourself although you may have a dealer near you. Parts are fairly easy to get except for this time of year when Italy goes on vacation.
They are almost Honda reliable out the door, but sometimes they need some sorting. Once sorted 250,000 miles is duck soup.
So you want a Moto Guzzi. If in doubt, take one for a test ride. A nice long test ride (they take a while to warm up to you).
The CB is a nice bike too.
That is most interesting.
Now, is that pronounced "Guzzy" as I learned about 100 years ago in jr high? Or, is it pronounced "Goochy", or is it "Gootsy".
If it's affordable, I shall look into one of these.
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(08-24-2014, 06:37 AM)PowderToastMan_imp Wrote: That valve adjustment is pretty spendy if you have the shop do it, you're right.
I hear that doing it yourself isn't necessarily that hard, but takes a bit of time.
That's probably the one feature I wish they'd put on this bike like the old Nighthawks, the hydraulic valve lifters so you in theory never have to service the valves. I've read (possibly a comment on this forum, don't remember where though!) that the Japanese manufacturers believe the bucket/shim to be the superior setup in terms of tolerance/performance. I wouldn't have minded sacrificing a little bit of performance for that, though, given that I don't use 100% of the bikes available power anyhow... that's just me though.
Either way, I've had nothing but a good time on this bike! Kept everything stock so far, too.
Yes, "spendy" at 700, for sure.
But I will always question Honda's desicion as to why they 'did' this.
I think Japan could have come up with a far superior way to adjust valves,
by now. I know they used to use a more conventional way.
I think the only thing here is motivated by their greed.
Cheaper to build 'this way', and rake in extra bucks at the service dept.
I alerted my local jap bike dealer to this fact, and I've never seen a service tech, look up anything on his computer, and say "WHAT? !?"
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Dear Honda,
You need to redo the valve system on this bike.
Your sales on this bike, will suffer. Or, they'll be lower than expected. OR you'll not ever have seen the true potential of what it could bring you.
Yes, I know you have made more internal combustion engines than anyone else on the planet, but you make them for the same people, the majority who need such a minimal break, like the valve system issue.
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I was about to write a check for this bike, but thankfully I was alerted to this 'problem', and I stopped. Especially after the service tech was alarmed at the news I brought to them today. This is as bad as the Sportster losing the trap door in 2003, for easier tranny access. Then, in 2004, they added rubber mount engines. COME ON HARLEY! What's the problem? Not enough money?
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Why are motorcycle companies behaving like this? Is it really about the true greed involved? Streamlining the assembly line?
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Mr. Leb'n Hundit
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RE: Considering a 2014 leb'n hundit - rboe - 08-25-2014
Gootzy
Jap was fine for our grandfathers and perhaps our fathers but is regarded as very poor form today. JAP is OK when talking about the British motor.
Shims under bucket has been pretty fair for big performance in line fours that reach stupid high rpms. It's a very stout way to maintain valve clearances under extreme conditions. I don't see any manufactures changing that. Pain in the keister, but typically actual adjustments seem to be few and far between so a bit of sugar on the bitter pill.
RE: Considering a 2014 leb'n hundit - emptysea - 08-25-2014
Goozi..at least here in the Midwest. And EVERYTHING is "spendy" with them.
Maybe Jap. (with the period) would be ok if one also would type Ger. or Ital. or Amer. Otherwise, probably not.
Don't know anyone (perhaps until now) that wouldn't by a bike because it requires a valve inspection. Seems pretty silly to me. You should buy the Guzzi, I think.