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RE: Solution to the "heavy" problem? - uscgmac_imp - 01-06-2017
Very cool. Those Japanese are very innovative. Cool looking bike too. If Honda made a bike that looked like the Ducati Diaval with the same HP I would be interested. This bike reminds me of that a little.
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RE: Solution to the "heavy" problem? - Mikestib1_imp - 01-06-2017
It's not the weight, it's the dynamics. Me for one dumped my CB at 5 mph. I've owned heavy bikes from a 1999 ZRX1100 to a Triumph Bonneville America. I think I'm so programmed to leaning the bike to turn, weighting the pegs, and counter steering at speed I forgot that at low speeds you need to just steer the motorcycle like a tricycle,
RE: Solution to the "heavy" problem? - adventureAF_imp - 01-06-2017
Wow, that's really impressive, I wonder how much deflection it can compensate for before going over.
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RE: Solution to the "heavy" problem? - AzBob_imp - 01-06-2017
(01-05-2017, 04:10 PM)Cormanus_imp Wrote: Wonder if that means you'll be able to set the speed, lean back and pour a coffee?
Apparently it's not quite that good—see [url=http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/honda/honda-riding-assist-technology-lets-motorcycles-balance-themselves.html]here.
I don't follow... the MO article doesn't say anything that I could find that says anything other than what the video shows.
(01-06-2017, 01:28 AM)CB4ME_imp Wrote: Received a lukewarm response from some in the press..........fearing the self driving car.
When, in the near future, will it be illegal to manually operate a motor vehicle?
My prediction? California will be the first.
We live in a golden age of sorts.
I can't wait for robot cars. I'm SO tired of having to sit like the disinterested uncle watching his nephews blow themselves up on the fourth of July.
People can't drive. I realized this morning on the way to work that it all started with the general availability and use of the automatic transmission. With a manual transmission (which two of my four automobiles possess, and what I was driving this morning), you have to anticipate other driver's actions because you need to be in an appropriate gear to do something about it, so you're actually paying attention or else you go nowhere. With an automatic transmission, you just go to sleep and press the gas pedal harder when you need to, usually well after realizing something bad happened (if you happen to realize at all). Then add in cell phones, automatic cruise control, automatic braking/collision avoidance, lane departure warnings and lane-keep assists, etc., we're actually in a more dangerous situation now until we get to fully-autonomous vehicles because people are paying less and less attention while the driving experience still requires frequent human input.
RE: Solution to the "heavy" problem? - Ben70_imp - 01-06-2017
Actually, the advent of self driving cars was one of the things that gave me the feeling that I should get back on a bike while I still could. I haven't heard much complaining from the general public about preserving the right to drive. Ready for my old fart impersonation? When I was a kid driving was looked forward to with eager anticipation, rather than just a way to get from A to B. Seems like that is becoming outdated. Virtual reality is another gripe. Perfectly healthy people getting their thrills from watching rather than doing.
As long as it's not mandatory, I agree that some people should not be driving.
Sorry for the rant. I could use a decent ride in the country, but since it's going to rain for a week it will have to wait. Also sorry for veering off topic.
Ben
RE: Solution to the "heavy" problem? - Stichill_imp - 01-06-2017
(01-06-2017, 09:13 AM)AzBob_imp Wrote:(01-05-2017, 04:10 PM)Cormanus_imp Wrote: Wonder if that means you'll be able to set the speed, lean back and pour a coffee?
Apparently it's not quite that good—see [url=http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/honda/honda-riding-assist-technology-lets-motorcycles-balance-themselves.html]here.
I don't follow... the MO article doesn't say anything that I could find that says anything other than what the video shows.
(01-06-2017, 01:28 AM)CB4ME_imp Wrote: Received a lukewarm response from some in the press..........fearing the self driving car.
When, in the near future, will it be illegal to manually operate a motor vehicle?
My prediction? California will be the first.
We live in a golden age of sorts.
I can't wait for robot cars. I'm SO tired of having to sit like the disinterested uncle watching his nephews blow themselves up on the fourth of July.
People can't drive. I realized this morning on the way to work that it all started with the general availability and use of the automatic transmission. With a manual transmission (which two of my four automobiles possess, and what I was driving this morning), you have to anticipate other driver's actions because you need to be in an appropriate gear to do something about it, so you're actually paying attention or else you go nowhere. With an automatic transmission, you just go to sleep and press the gas pedal harder when you need to, usually well after realizing something bad happened (if you happen to realize at all). Then add in cell phones, automatic cruise control, automatic braking/collision avoidance, lane departure warnings and lane-keep assists, etc., we're actually in a more dangerous situation now until we get to fully-autonomous vehicles because people are paying less and less attention while the driving experience still requires frequent human input.
I was in a training class at the office about there being four generations in the workplace today. Each generation went to breakout groups and recorded their impressions of the most significant events in their lifetime (political, cultural, technological, etc.).
The Baby Boom group said that one milestone was the mainstream adoption of power steering, power brakes, and the automatic transmission allowing far more women to drive.
You should have heard the howls of indignation from the Gen X and Millennial women! They protested that many of them know how to drive a manual transmission car.
One old geezer (still working well past 65 for the benefits) calmly explained the difference between a Mazda Miata with a manual and a '52 Chevrolet with heavy manual steering, bias ply tires, manual drum brakes, and a slushy 3-speed manual with a heavy clutch pedal.
(01-06-2017, 12:34 PM)Ben70_imp Wrote: Actually, the advent of self driving cars was one of the things that gave me the feeling that I should get back on a bike while I still could. I haven't heard much complaining from the general public about preserving the right to drive. Ready for my old fart impersonation? When I was a kid driving was looked forward to with eager anticipation, rather than just a way to get from A to B. Seems like that is becoming outdated. Virtual reality is another gripe. Perfectly healthy people getting their thrills from watching rather than doing.
As long as it's not mandatory, I agree that some people should not be driving.
Sorry for the rant. I could use a decent ride in the country, but since it's going to rain for a week it will have to wait. Also sorry for veering off topic.
Ben
"Get off my lawn you darn kids!"
RE: Solution to the "heavy" problem? - Cormanus - 01-06-2017
(01-06-2017, 09:13 AM)AzBob_imp Wrote:(01-05-2017, 04:10 PM)Cormanus_imp Wrote: Wonder if that means you'll be able to set the speed, lean back and pour a coffee?
Apparently it's not quite that good—see [url=http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/honda/honda-riding-assist-technology-lets-motorcycles-balance-themselves.html]here.
I don't follow... the MO article doesn't say anything that I could find that says anything other than what the video shows.
(01-06-2017, 01:28 AM)CB4ME_imp Wrote: Received a lukewarm response from some in the press..........fearing the self driving car.
When, in the near future, will it be illegal to manually operate a motor vehicle?
My prediction? California will be the first.
We live in a golden age of sorts.
I can't wait for robot cars. I'm SO tired of having to sit like the disinterested uncle watching his nephews blow themselves up on the fourth of July.
People can't drive. I realized this morning on the way to work that it all started with the general availability and use of the automatic transmission. With a manual transmission (which two of my four automobiles possess, and what I was driving this morning), you have to anticipate other driver's actions because you need to be in an appropriate gear to do something about it, so you're actually paying attention or else you go nowhere. With an automatic transmission, you just go to sleep and press the gas pedal harder when you need to, usually well after realizing something bad happened (if you happen to realize at all). Then add in cell phones, automatic cruise control, automatic braking/collision avoidance, lane departure warnings and lane-keep assists, etc., we're actually in a more dangerous situation now until we get to fully-autonomous vehicles because people are paying less and less attention while the driving experience still requires frequent human input.
I don't follow... the MO article doesn't say anything that I could find that says anything other than what the video shows.
Sorry, Bob, probably not much to follow. It was a poor attempt at humour I saw the video before reading the article and was speculating.
(01-06-2017, 01:28 AM)CB4ME_imp Wrote: Received a lukewarm response from some in the press..........fearing the self driving car.
When, in the near future, will it be illegal to manually operate a motor vehicle?
My prediction? California will be the first.
We live in a golden age of sorts.
I can't wait for robot cars. I'm SO tired of having to sit like the disinterested uncle watching his nephews blow themselves up on the fourth of July.
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Make the most of your riding then, because the minute self-driving cars are viable, humans will be banned from driving. For ever.
(01-06-2017, 12:59 PM)Stichill_imp Wrote:(01-06-2017, 09:13 AM)AzBob_imp Wrote:(01-05-2017, 04:10 PM)Cormanus_imp Wrote: Wonder if that means you'll be able to set the speed, lean back and pour a coffee?
Apparently it's not quite that good—see [url=http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/honda/honda-riding-assist-technology-lets-motorcycles-balance-themselves.html]here.
I don't follow... the MO article doesn't say anything that I could find that says anything other than what the video shows.
(01-06-2017, 01:28 AM)CB4ME_imp Wrote: Received a lukewarm response from some in the press..........fearing the self driving car.
When, in the near future, will it be illegal to manually operate a motor vehicle?
My prediction? California will be the first.
We live in a golden age of sorts.
I can't wait for robot cars. I'm SO tired of having to sit like the disinterested uncle watching his nephews blow themselves up on the fourth of July.
People can't drive. I realized this morning on the way to work that it all started with the general availability and use of the automatic transmission. With a manual transmission (which two of my four automobiles possess, and what I was driving this morning), you have to anticipate other driver's actions because you need to be in an appropriate gear to do something about it, so you're actually paying attention or else you go nowhere. With an automatic transmission, you just go to sleep and press the gas pedal harder when you need to, usually well after realizing something bad happened (if you happen to realize at all). Then add in cell phones, automatic cruise control, automatic braking/collision avoidance, lane departure warnings and lane-keep assists, etc., we're actually in a more dangerous situation now until we get to fully-autonomous vehicles because people are paying less and less attention while the driving experience still requires frequent human input.
I was in a training class at the office about there being four generations in the workplace today. Each generation went to breakout groups and recorded their impressions of the most significant events in their lifetime (political, cultural, technological, etc.).
The Baby Boom group said that one milestone was the mainstream adoption of power steering, power brakes, and the automatic transmission allowing far more women to drive.
You should have heard the howls of indignation from the Gen X and Millennial women! They protested that many of them know how to drive a manual transmission car.
One old geezer (still working well past 65 for the benefits) calmly explained the difference between a Mazda Miata with a manual and a '52 Chevrolet with heavy manual steering, bias ply tires, manual drum brakes, and a slushy 3-speed manual with a heavy clutch pedal.
(01-06-2017, 12:34 PM)Ben70_imp Wrote: Actually, the advent of self driving cars was one of the things that gave me the feeling that I should get back on a bike while I still could. I haven't heard much complaining from the general public about preserving the right to drive. Ready for my old fart impersonation? When I was a kid driving was looked forward to with eager anticipation, rather than just a way to get from A to B. Seems like that is becoming outdated. Virtual reality is another gripe. Perfectly healthy people getting their thrills from watching rather than doing.
As long as it's not mandatory, I agree that some people should not be driving.
Sorry for the rant. I could use a decent ride in the country, but since it's going to rain for a week it will have to wait. Also sorry for veering off topic.
Ben
"Get off my lawn you darn kids!"
It's interesting that in the UK, for example, it is quite hard to find a rental car with automatic transmission. Most people continue to drive manuals. Sadly it is not so here in Australia where the American penchant for automatic transmission has prevailed. The experience of women in the UK and in Australia was, I suspect different, because most cars were smaller and not nearly so heavy as the monsters being pushed out of Detroit. The game changer for many women here was, I suspect, the ready availability of the automobile.
Anyway, back to AzBob's post: enjoy it all while you may. The driverless car will be the end of us.
RE: Solution to the "heavy" problem? - MM300_imp - 01-06-2017
That is so cool. Trike riders will now have a two wheel option.
And I want this as an option on an upcoming CB so my bike can follow me around like a dog.
RE: Solution to the "heavy" problem? - Lord Popgun - 01-06-2017
Is there a retrofit kit for the ST1300
RE: Solution to the "heavy" problem? - Vic_imp - 01-06-2017
(01-05-2017, 01:58 PM)Stichill_imp Wrote:I want that, plus with an electric motor, no gasoline.
